Cylindrical Symmetry - Gauss's Law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of cylindrical symmetry as it applies to Gauss's Law, particularly in the context of an infinitely long line charge and the behavior of the electric field around it. Participants explore the implications of this symmetry for the electric field components at different surfaces of a Gaussian cylinder.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the electric field is assumed to have no component perpendicular to the end caps of a Gaussian cylinder enclosing a line charge.
  • Another participant explains that the electric field components from equidistant sections of the line charge cancel in the x-direction, leading to a net field that is only radial (y-component).
  • A participant questions the claim that there is no electric field component at the end caps, specifically regarding the x-component.
  • One participant asserts that there is indeed no x-component at the cap, emphasizing that the electric field has no component parallel to the line charge when treated as infinitely long.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the contributions from charges outside the Gaussian surface lead to a net flux of zero through the end caps.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and notes that the scenario changes if the line charge is not infinitely long.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the behavior of the electric field in relation to the cylindrical symmetry of an infinitely long line charge, but there remains some contention regarding the presence of electric field components at the end caps of the Gaussian cylinder.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference diagrams to illustrate their points, indicating that visual aids play a role in understanding the concepts discussed. The discussion also highlights the importance of the assumption of an infinitely long line charge in determining the behavior of the electric field.

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I am having trouble understanding the concept of cylindrical symmetry in an infinitely long line.

Please picture a finite Gaussian cylinder enclosing a portion of the length of the line, parallel to the line.

My book states that there cannot be any component of E perpendicular to the radius of the cylinder; the electric field lines can only be radial, that is, through the side walls, not through the end caps.

As I understand it, the line charge is composed of many individual point charges; each point charge has an electric field that spreads out in all directions radially, including perpendicular to the end caps. Why do we assume that there is no field at the end caps?
 
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See the attached diagram. Consider the fields at P produced by two equidistant small sections of the line charge. The y-components add, the x-components cancel. You can pair up all the sections of the line charge like this, one section to the left of P and one section to the right of P. The x-components of the field for each pair cancel so the total x-component is zero, and the field must have only a y-component (radial).
 

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I understand how the surface of the cylinder along the line has the perpendicular component of E. What I don't understand, is, my book claims that the ends have no field component perpendicular to them. I understand that Ey does not give any flux to the ends, but what about the Ex component at the cap?

I have attached a picture.
 

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But there's no E_x component at the cap. E has no component parallel to the line charge anywhere. (So long as we can treat the line as infinitely long, of course.)

In the diagram I drew, P can be anywhere, including on the end cap of the Gaussian surface.
 
jtbell, I have continued to analyze your picture, and I believe it has helped me understand now. Your image is also applicable to the end caps, since it is an infinite line, the charges found outside of the Gaussian surface also contribute to the field at the end caps. Thus, the net flux through the caps is zero.
 
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Thank you very much, jtbell. I now understand.

You also brought up the fact that the scenario changes if the line was not infinitely long, which also makes sense.

I appreciate it!
 

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