D/dx x(x^2 +1) ^{1 /2}/(x+1) ^{2 /3}

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function $$\displaystyle y=\frac{x(x^2 +1) ^{1/2}}{(x+1)^{2/3}}$$ Participants explore various methods for differentiation, including the quotient rule and logarithmic differentiation, while expressing challenges in simplification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the quotient rule is applicable but express difficulty in simplifying the expression before differentiation.
  • One participant suggests using logarithmic differentiation as a potentially more effective approach.
  • Another participant mentions missing a lecture on logarithmic differentiation, indicating a lack of familiarity with the method.
  • Several participants provide steps for logarithmic differentiation, including taking the natural log of both sides and applying logarithmic rules.
  • There is a discussion on the expression for $\frac{y'}{y}$ derived from logarithmic differentiation, with participants seeking clarification on its interpretation.
  • Participants discuss substituting back for $y$ to express the derivative as a function of $x$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of logarithmic differentiation as a viable method, but there is no consensus on the simplification of the original expression or the best approach to take.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the simplification of the function before applying differentiation rules, and there are unresolved steps in the differentiation process.

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​$\large{242.q2.1c}$
Find the derivative
$$\displaystyle
y=\frac{x(x^2 +1) ^{1/2}}{(x+1)^{2/3}}$$
I know this is using the quotient rule but can't seem simplify this first
 
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karush said:
​$\large{242.q2.1c}$
Find the derivative
$$\displaystyle
y=\frac{x(x^2 +1) ^{1/2}}{(x+1)^{2/3}}$$
I know this is using the quotient rule but can't seem simplify this first

I do not see anything in common . So this cannot be simplified fisrt

you can take it of the form $\frac{u}{v}$ and then u as a product.
 

I suggest Logarithmic Differentiation.
 
soroban said:
I suggest Logarithmic Differentiation.

I think that's what was intended but missed the lecture on it
 
karush said:
I think that's what was intended but missed the lecture on it

Take the natural log of both sides, apply the rules of logs to the right side, then implicitly differentiate. :)
 
karush said:
\text{Find the derivative :}
$$\displaystyle
y=\frac{x(x^2 +1) ^{1/2}}{(x+1)^{2/3}}$$
\text{Take logs: }\; \ln y \;=\;\ln\left[\frac{x(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}}\right] \;=\;\ln x + \ln(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} - \ln(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}

. .. .. .. . . . \ln y \;=\;\ln x + \tfrac{1}{2}\ln(x^2+1) - \tfrac{2}{3}\ln(x+1)

. . \frac{y'}{y} \;=\;\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{2}\frac{2x}{x^2+1} = \frac{2}{3}\frac{1}{x+1}

. . . . \text{ . . . etc. . . . }
 
$\displaystyle
\ln y \;=
\;\ln\left[\frac{x(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}}\right] \\
=\ln x
+ \frac{1}{2}\ln(x^2+1) - \frac{2}{3}\ln(x+1)$

$\displaystyle
y' =y \left[\frac{1}{x}
+ \frac{x}{x^2+1}
- \frac{2}{3(x+1)}\right]
$

What is $\frac{y'}{y}$ ?
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle
\ln y \;=
\;\ln\left[\frac{x(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}}\right] \\
=\ln x
+ \frac{1}{2}\ln(x^2+1) - \frac{2}{3}\ln(x+1)$

$\displaystyle
y' =y \left[\frac{1}{x}
+ \frac{x}{x^2+1}
- \frac{2}{3(x+1)}\right]
$

What is $\frac{y'}{y}$ ?

Now that you have solved for $y'$, just substitute for $y$ and you will have the derivative as a function of $x$.
 
$\displaystyle \ln y \;=
\;\ln\left[\frac{x(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}}\right] \\
=\;\ln x
+ \frac{1}{2}\ln(x^2+1) - \frac{2}{3}\ln(x+1)$

$\displaystyle
y' =\left[\frac{x(x^2+1)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{(x+1)^{\frac{2}{3}}}\right]
\left[\frac{1}{x}
+ \frac{x}{x^2+1}
- \frac{2}{3(x+1)}\right]
$
 
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