D.E Law of Cooling: Find 9:20am Reading & Correct Temp

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Law of Cooling to determine the temperature reading of a thermometer at specific times after being taken indoors. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of temperature changes over time, addressing both the reading at 9:20am and the conditions under which the thermometer would read 70ºF.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the temperature over time, $x(t)=55(\frac{11}{6})^{-\frac{t}{5}}+15$, and calculates the temperature at 9:10am as 31.4ºF.
  • Another participant suggests a new formula based on the conditions at 9:10am, stating that the ambient temperature is 70ºF and proposes a new specific solution, $x(t)=-38.64e^{(\frac{11}{6})^{\frac{-t}{5}}}+70$.
  • Participants calculate the temperature at 9:20am as 58.5ºF using the new formula.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of when the thermometer will read 70ºF, with one participant explaining that to read as 70ºF, the temperature must be at least 69.5ºF.
  • Some participants express confusion about the reasoning behind the 69.5ºF threshold for rounding to 70ºF.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach and the calculations presented, but there is some confusion and lack of consensus regarding the interpretation of the temperature reading conditions, particularly the reasoning for the 69.5ºF threshold.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about temperature readings and the mathematical modeling of cooling, which may depend on the specific definitions and parameters used in the formulas. The exact conditions under which the thermometer will read 70ºF remain somewhat unclear among participants.

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At 9am , a thermometer reading 70ºF is taken outdoors, where the temperature is 15ºF. At 9:05am, the thermometer reading is 45ºF. At 9:10am, the thermometer is taken back indoors, where the temperature is fixed at 70ºF.

(a). Find the reading at 9:20am

(b). when the reading, to the nearest degree, will show the correct (70ºF) indoor temperature.

I have already taken the specific solution using the conditions given in the problem,

$x(t)=55(\frac{11}{6})^{-\frac{t}{5}}+15$

plugging in $t=10$ I have $x=31.4 F$

now I don't know what to do next. please help!

and can you explain the question in b.
 
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Hey bergausstein! :)

bergausstein said:
At 9am , a thermometer reading 70ºF is taken outdoors, where the temperature is 15ºF. At 9:05am, the thermometer reading is 45ºF. At 9:10am, the thermometer is taken back indoors, where the temperature is fixed at 70ºF.

(a). Find the reading at 9:20am

(b). when the reading, to the nearest degree, will show the correct (70ºF) indoor temperature.

I have already taken the specific solution using the conditions given in the problem,

$x(t)=55(\frac{11}{6})^{-\frac{t}{5}}+15$

plugging in $t=10$ I have $x=31.4 F$

Good!

now I don't know what to do next. please help!

Create a new formula with the same inherent parameters for the next phase.
Note that your current formula is of the form:
$$x(t)=\Delta T_0 (\frac{11}{6})^{-\frac{t}{5}}+T_\infty$$
where $\Delta T_0$ is the initial difference in temperature and $T_\infty$ is the final temperature.

and can you explain the question in b.

Theoretically the temperature will reach exactly 70ºF only after an infinite amount of time, so we're interested in when we would read it off as 70ºF.
To the nearest degree means that the temperature would be 69.5ºF.
 
the given in the new condition

let 9:10am as $t=0$ and 70F as my ambient temperature, and $\alpha=-\frac{\ln\frac{6}{11}}{5}$

now I'll have,

when $t=0$; $x(0)=31.4F$

then my new specific solution is

$x(t)=-38.64e^{(\frac{11}{6})^{\frac{-t}{5}}}+70$

the temperature at 9:20am is

since 9:10am is t=0, 9:20am is t=10

$x(10)=-38.64e^{(\frac{11}{6})^{\frac{-10}{5}}}+70=58.5F$

@9:20am $x=58.5ºF$

but I still don't get why 69.5 is the nearest degree?
 
bergausstein said:
the given in the new condition

let 9:10am as $t=0$ and 70F as my ambient temperature, and $\alpha=-\frac{\ln\frac{6}{11}}{5}$

now I'll have,

when $t=0$; $x(0)=31.4F$

then my new specific solution is

$x(t)=-38.64e^{(\frac{11}{6})^{\frac{-t}{5}}}+70$

the temperature at 9:20am is

since 9:10am is t=0, 9:20am is t=10

$x(10)=-38.64e^{(\frac{11}{6})^{\frac{-10}{5}}}+70=58.5F$

@9:20am $x=58.5ºF$

Looks good!
but I still don't get why 69.5 is the nearest degree?

Any actual temperature between 69.5ºF and 70.5ºF would be read as 70ºF, since we're reading the temperature "to the nearest degree".
Or put otherwise, we are reading the scale without any digits after the decimal point.

Since the temperature is rising, the first time this would be the case is when the temperature is 69.5ºF.
 

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