D'Alembertian and wave equation.

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The discussion centers around the application of the d'Alembertian operator in the context of electromagnetic potentials, specifically examining the Lorenz and Coulomb gauges and their implications for wave equations. Participants explore the mathematical formulations and their interpretations within electromagnetic theory.

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  • One participant asserts that the wave equations derived from the Lorenz gauge lead to the d'Alembertian operator equations for scalar and vector potentials.
  • Another participant corrects the spelling of "Lorentz" to "Lorenz" and states that the equations are valid for Lorenz gauge but not for Coulomb gauge, emphasizing the distinction between the two gauges.
  • A later reply references Griffiths' text, indicating that it treats both gauges similarly but notes that the Coulomb gauge complicates the vector potential, while the Lorenz gauge simplifies the equations.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the Coulomb and Lorenz gauges can be applied, highlighting that they cannot be combined in the way suggested by the original poster.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the speed of light squared as a fundamental constant, which is derived from the constants \(\epsilon_0\) and \(\mu_0\).

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Participants express disagreement regarding the application of the gauges and the correct terminology, with some asserting the correctness of their interpretations while others challenge them. No consensus is reached on the implications of combining the gauges or the correct spelling of "Lorenz."

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Participants reference specific pages in Griffiths' text to support their claims, indicating a reliance on this source for definitions and explanations. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical formulations and their physical implications.

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I am studying Coulomb and Lorentz gauge. Lorentz gauge help produce wave equation:
\nabla^2 V-\mu_0\epsilon_0\frac{\partial^2V}{\partial t^2}=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0},\;and\;\nabla^2 \vec A-\mu_0\epsilon_0\frac{\partial^2\vec A}{\partial t^2}=-\mu_0\vec J
Where the 4 dimensional d'Alembertian operator:
\square^2=\nabla^2-\mu_0\epsilon_0\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}
\Rightarrow\;\square^2V=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0},\; and\;\square^2\vec A=-\mu_0\vec J

So the wave equations are really 4 dimensional d'Alembertian equations?
 
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Your equations hold for Lorenz (NOT Lorentz!) gauge but not for Coulomb gauge. Otherwise it's indeed the d'Alembert operator. Note further that 1/(\epsilon_0 \mu_0)=c^2 is the speed of light squared which is (contrary to the conversion factors \epsilon_0 and \mu_0) a fundamental constant of nature.
 
vanhees71 said:
Your equations hold for Lorenz (NOT Lorentz!) gauge but not for Coulomb gauge. Otherwise it's indeed the d'Alembert operator. Note further that 1/(\epsilon_0 \mu_0)=c^2 is the speed of light squared which is (contrary to the conversion factors \epsilon_0 and \mu_0) a fundamental constant of nature.

Thanks for the reply. I am reading Griffiths p422. It specified Lorentz gauge( that's how Griffiths spell it) put the two in the same footing. Actually Griffiths said Coulomb gauge using ##\nabla\cdot\vec A=0## to simplify ##\nabla^2V=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}## but make it more complicate for the vector potential ##\vec A##. That's the reason EM use Lorentz Gauge. This is all in p421 to 422 of Griffiths.

You cannot combine Coulomb and Lorentz Gauge together as

Coulomb ##\Rightarrow\;\nabla\cdot\vec A=0##

Lorentz ##\Rightarrow\;\nabla\cdot\vec A=\mu_0\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial t}##
 
It's an extremely common mistake but it should be Lorenz not Lorentz. Yes even Griffiths made that mistake.
 
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