Dating for Nerds: A Shy Guy's Guide to Meeting Women

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The discussion revolves around a shy individual contemplating how to approach a girl he finds attractive, who lives nearby. He expresses a desire to break out of his shell and seeks advice on how to initiate a conversation. Participants suggest various strategies, emphasizing the importance of confidence and genuine interaction. They recommend starting with a simple introduction, asking questions to engage her, and avoiding overly rehearsed lines or excessive flattery. The conversation shifts to the dynamics of attraction, with insights on reading non-verbal cues and the significance of being oneself. There's a consensus that rejection is a natural part of dating, and building social skills through practice is essential. Overall, the key takeaway is to approach the situation with authenticity and openness, focusing on building a connection rather than overthinking the interaction.
  • #101
27Thousand said:
Sociopaths don't lack social skills, they're actually quite good at reading people and that's how they thrive as predators. On the other extreme side of the continuum, I think I myself may have some troubles reading body language. I read in a book that if a woman smiles, if the man makes eye contact and smiles back she's a lot more likely to be friendly than if he avoids making eye contact with her. I read that in a book a few years ago and tried applying it. I discovered in the last few years that when a woman smiles, making eye contact back and smiling seems to have her act more friendly towards me! I wasn't able to ever get that from what others on this thread call "experience", but rather from scholarly research.

Moonbear, putting yourself in my shoes how would you feel if you were in my situation? I want to be myself, so being able to read women and know if they're interested will allow me to focus instead on those who are interested in me for being me, rather than having to worry about impressing them. Being oneself is important.

Also, I think my own body language may be slightly not normal, maybe some are born differently in body posture and not expressive in facial expressions, so finding equations for how I'm supposed to move my face, body posture, etc in social situations may help me relax because I'd want them to look past that and at my personality instead.

So what do you have to say about that? Aren't they worthwhile concerns?

Get professional help...seriously.
 
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  • #102
Moonbear said:
Get professional help...seriously.

Mean! I mean if I'm understanding everything correctly, aren't we all here to give each other advice and help, not throw insults?
 
  • #103
27Thousand said:
Moonbear, putting yourself in my shoes how would you feel if you were in my situation? I want to be myself, so being able to read women and know if they're interested will allow me to focus instead on those who are interested in me for being me, rather than having to worry about impressing them. Being oneself is important.

Also, I think my own body language may be slightly not normal, maybe some are born differently in body posture and not expressive in facial expressions, so finding equations for how I'm supposed to move my face, body posture, etc in social situations may help me relax because I'd want them to look past that and at my personality instead.

So what do you have to say about that? Aren't they worthwhile concerns?

You should read your own posts. You are coming from the wrong place. You are being way reactive to women, and also very insecure (Why do you feel you have to impress?). Why do you need to know if a girl likes you or not, before you do anything?. Didn't you know that sometimes as you spent time with her, they start liking you?. It definitely varies.

Look, this is how I see it. Either you spent your time in your room running statistical models you coded in R of how to approach women, or you go out and actually meet women. You decide.

Good luck
 
  • #104
27Thousand, stop thinking about girls

Go get a phd in statistics :biggrin:
 
  • #105
27Thousand said:
Mean! I mean if I'm understanding everything correctly, aren't we all here to give each other advice and help, not throw insults?
That is not an insult, it is an advice. You clearly say that you have problems interpreting body language, I've seen courses that teach people how to deal with that. The way you are going to learn it is to practice it, with someone giving you feedback. Getting professional help is the best option.

Here is the first hit in my google search.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/singles_and_dating/techniques_getblcoaching.shtml
 
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  • #106
zoobyshoe said:
Eh?

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What parts do you not understand ? I was asking how did you equated the "god's gift to women" crowd to a subset of "sociopath" crowd.
 
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  • #107
Moonbear said:
Get professional help...seriously.
27Thousand said:
Mean! I mean if I'm understanding everything correctly, aren't we all here to give each other advice and help, not throw insults?
She was giving you advice, not insulting you.
 
  • #108
27Thousand said:
Also, I think my own body language may be slightly not normal, maybe some are born differently in body posture and not expressive in facial expressions, so finding equations for how I'm supposed to move my face, body posture, etc in social situations may help me relax because I'd want them to look past that and at my personality instead.

Some ppl will never get laid. There is still hope for unicorns. See, even if I would point you a women which I know is 99% interested in you, you would manage to find that 1% somehow and blew it all. Thanks to the "equations"
 
  • #109
Ahhh, those http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cold_Equations" .

Just eject the girl and the equations simplify nicely. :-p
 
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  • #110
Moonbear said:
I'm not seeing how someone who believes they are god's gift to women is a sociopath either.

Because I defined it that way. I addressed, but then shunted aside, the conventional understanding of someone who thinks they are "God's Gift to Women," Then pulled a switcheroo, offering an "alternative" description of an alleged different sort of "God's Gift" , which was, in fact, culled from things I've read about sociopaths. Then the punchline: 3.) "It's a doomed quest: most guys like this are sociopaths."

I don't know what to tell you, Moonbear. That post was a witticism. Georgina grasped the gist of it. It's not intended to be accurate. It's intended to be true. The two sentences previous to this are another witticism. A witticism is "a cleverly witty and often biting or ironic remark"*. Because of the surprise "snapper" at the end that post actually ends up not being about "God's Gifts" or sociopaths at all, but an ironic and biting remark about girls being attracted to the wrong guys.



*Merriam-Websters
 
  • #111
DanP said:
What parts do you not understand ? I was asking how did you equated the "god's gift to women" crowd to a subset of "sociopath" crowd.

Hmmm. If you're afraid I'm accusing you of being a sociopath because you recommended acting like God's gift to women, then rest assured I am not. I am not sure how you, DanP, would describe someone who acts like that, but I assume you would describe someone who is successful with women, and not obnoxious. The trouble you were having with Georgina stemmed from the fact that, when a woman describes a man as acting like God's Gift to women, it is a bad thing: he's too cocky, obnoxious about it, over the limit. He won't get any girls.
 
  • #112
zoobyshoe said:
Hmmm. If you're afraid I'm accusing you of being a sociopath because you recommended acting like God's gift to women, then rest assured I am not. I am not sure how you, DanP, would describe someone who acts like that, but I assume you would describe someone who is successful with women, and not obnoxious. The trouble you were having with Georgina stemmed from the fact that, when a woman describes a man as acting like God's Gift to women, it is a bad thing: he's too cocky, obnoxious about it, over the limit. He won't get any girls.


Sorry no. I am not afraid of you accusing me being a sociopath simply because I usually don't give a **** what 3rd parties think about me. If it makes you pleasure to tell me I am a sociopath, or a nerd or whatever, please be my guest. It has no consequences whatsoever for me.

I just can't understand how someone can label ppl form a certain category and throw them all in the sociopath category. Even you believe such a man won't get any girls, because he too cooky and obnoxious, how the heck is he a sociopath ?
 
  • #113
zoobyshoe said:
Because of the surprise "snapper" at the end that post actually ends up not being about "God's Gifts" or sociopaths at all, but an ironic and biting remark about girls being attracted to the wrong guys.
*Merriam-Websters

Mmm... Maybe the women attracted to the wrong guys are sociopaths ? (why does the guy have to be the sociopath ?) Did it happened to you ? Being attracted time and again to the wrong man ?
 
  • #114
zoobyshoe said:
The trouble you were having with Georgina stemmed from the

What "trouble" ? Do you always refer to a disagreement as "trouble" ?
 
  • #115
This thread has been highly entertaining thank you. :smile:
Just for the record I definitely think I'm a gift to women. Not from god though... from my mother. I'm very cocky and quiet arrogant when it comes to women but I can't say I've ever had a problem with them.

bahahaha, some people on this forum crack me up. 27thousand, zooby, DanP haha man epic thread.
 
  • #116
DanP said:
Sorry no. I am not afraid of you accusing me being a sociopath simply because I usually don't give a **** what 3rd parties think about me. If it makes you pleasure to tell me I am a sociopath, or a nerd or whatever, please be my guest. It has no consequences whatsoever for me.

I just can't understand how someone can label ppl form a certain category and throw them all in the sociopath category. Even you believe such a man won't get any girls, because he too cooky and obnoxious, how the heck is he a sociopath ?


DanP said:
Mmm... Maybe the women attracted to the wrong guys are sociopaths ? (why does the guy have to be the sociopath ?) Did it happened to you ? Being attracted time and again to the wrong man ?

DanP said:
What "trouble" ? Do you always refer to a disagreement as "trouble" ?
You seem to have gotten needlessly upset, and your reading comprehension has gone south. Now you're throwing random strawmen at me. It's too bad, because I actually agree with your basic "God's Gift" idea, at least to the extent it's better to err on the cocky side than to be too insecure.
 
  • #117
zoobyshoe said:
You seem to have gotten needlessly upset, and your reading comprehension has gone south. Now you're throwing random strawmen at me. It's too bad, because I actually agree with your basic "God's Gift" idea, at least to the extent it's better to err on the cocky side than to be too insecure.


Smile, no one is upset :smile: I really do want to get into your head and understand why you call those kind of man sociopaths. So tell me please how you got to the conclusion of "Gods Gift" man are sociopaths.

(yes, I enjoy every logical fallacy in the book. they work :P )
 
  • #118
DanP said:
(yes, I enjoy every logical fallacy in the book. they work :P )

Thanks much for the confession:

http://www.centex.net/~elliott/1959/troll_doll_1959_pants.gif
 
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  • #119
zoobyshoe said:
Thanks much for the confession:

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Trolling is not the not the issue. The issue is your generalizations.

You failed time and again to explain your generalization of "god's gift" to sociopath. Id pretty much want to know again why do you make this generalization. On what basis ? I ask you again. Can you please explain ? This time, please, leave apart smart remarks, assumption on my upset state, whatever. Just do what you are asked to, explain your statement.

Can you please ?
 
  • #120
I haven't gone too far into the thread but zoobyshoe, you seem to be making up the things :biggrin:
 
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  • #121
zoobyshoe said:
Because I defined it that way. I addressed, but then shunted aside, the conventional understanding of someone who thinks they are "God's Gift to Women," Then pulled a switcheroo, offering an "alternative" description of an alleged different sort of "God's Gift" , which was, in fact, culled from things I've read about sociopaths. Then the punchline: 3.) "It's a doomed quest: most guys like this are sociopaths."

I don't know what to tell you, Moonbear. That post was a witticism. Georgina grasped the gist of it. It's not intended to be accurate. It's intended to be true. The two sentences previous to this are another witticism. A witticism is "a cleverly witty and often biting or ironic remark"*. Because of the surprise "snapper" at the end that post actually ends up not being about "God's Gifts" or sociopaths at all, but an ironic and biting remark about girls being attracted to the wrong guys.



*Merriam-Websters

Oh, so it was just a failed attempt at humor? Okay. We can leave it at that then. I don't get it, but if that's all it was, no sense pursuing it further.
 
  • #122
DanP said:
You failed time and again to explain your generalization of "god's gift" to sociopath. Id pretty much want to know again why do you make this generalization. On what basis ?

I ask you again. Can you please explain ? This time, please, leave apart smart remarks, assumption on my upset state, whatever. Just do what you are asked to, explain your statement.

Can you please ?

As Moonbear points out, the explanation has been given already:
zoobyshoe said:
Moonbear said:
I'm not seeing how someone who believes they are god's gift to women is a sociopath either.
Because I defined it that way. I addressed, but then shunted aside, the conventional understanding of someone who thinks they are "God's Gift to Women," Then pulled a switcheroo, offering an "alternative" description of an alleged different sort of "God's Gift" , which was, in fact, culled from things I've read about sociopaths. Then the punchline: 3.) "It's a doomed quest: most guys like this are sociopaths."

I don't know what to tell you, Moonbear. That post was a witticism. Georgina grasped the gist of it. It's not intended to be accurate. It's intended to be true. The two sentences previous to this are another witticism. A witticism is "a cleverly witty and often biting or ironic remark"*. Because of the surprise "snapper" at the end that post actually ends up not being about "God's Gifts" or sociopaths at all, but an ironic and biting remark about girls being attracted to the wrong guys.
*Merriam-Websters

Time to move on please.
 
  • #123
Sorry! said:
This thread has been highly entertaining thank you. :smile:
Just for the record I definitely think I'm a gift to women. Not from god though... from my mother. I'm very cocky and quiet arrogant when it comes to women but I can't say I've ever had a problem with them.

bahahaha, some people on this forum crack me up. 27thousand, zooby, DanP haha man epic thread.

This is not supposed to be entertaining, but rather we're serious :smile:

I mean like seriously, mathematical equations for dating would be da bomb! :biggrin:
 
  • #124
I'm excited!

Now I found this interesting! : Online Tutorials on Mathematical Psychology http://www.mathpsyc.uni-bonn.de/tutorials.htm" I didn't even know that existed, but there's a field in psychology that works on creating mathematical models to explain/predict! Wow!

So as far as being creative goes, Newton took others' mathematical ideas and then combined them in unique/useful ways. I need to use R computer language for Statistics to teach myself the different techniques on that Mathematical Website link, then I'll use playful imagination to see what I can come up with in using math for flirting!

As far as being creative goes, I emailed some professors who publish in peer-review journals and asked them about mathematical equations to predict whether a woman is flirting. They said they hadn't heard of someone who's done that before. So this could be useful to create these equations!
 
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  • #125
27Thousand said:
This is not supposed to be entertaining, but rather we're serious :smile:

I mean like seriously, mathematical equations for dating would be da bomb! :biggrin:

Why don't you just go to a dating website where they already have the formula and it is based on volunteering information which spews out non-sense rather than you yourself somehow 'gaining' this 'information' about random girls (who you don't know if they like you or not) and applying it to a formula which spews out non-sense.

An even faster method of getting a girl is to grow some balls, hit puberty, get off my internets, stop trying so hard, and ask a girl their name and out to coffee.
 
  • #126
Sorry! said:
Why don't you just go to a dating website where they already have the formula and it is based on volunteering information which spews out non-sense rather than you yourself somehow 'gaining' this 'information' about random girls (who you don't know if they like you or not) and applying it to a formula which spews out non-sense.

An even faster method of getting a girl is to grow some balls, hit puberty, get off my internets, stop trying so hard, and ask a girl their name and out to coffee.

Post 58 explains and clears up the confusion on this https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2472787&postcount=58"

Just like some have learning disorders/dyslexia, what is to keep some from neurologically having problems with using gut feeling and instinct to pick up on social/flirting situations? For people like this, it's utterly useless for them to go on gut feeling and instinct. If they're good at Science, then they may need to take that other medium, just like some are visual learners while others are other types of learners. You know what I'm saying?
 
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  • #127
Redbelly98 said:
As Moonbear points out, the explanation has been given already:Time to move on please.
Sorry, that is not explanation, man. It's anything but an explanation, for that matter. It fails to address why the poster put a full category of man in the sociopath category. It's a joke.
 
  • #128
Yes, it was a joke. Or an attempt at one. You don't have to find it funny, or agree with it.

Get over it.
 
  • #129
Redbelly98 said:
Yes, it was a joke. Or an attempt at one. You don't have to find it funny, or agree with it.

Get over it.

Ok, then you will understand that I required an explanation, not a joke.

Get over it.
 
  • #130
GeorginaS said:
The etc part is important.


I love etc. Etc is the best part of a relationship. Unless she turns out to be some sort of idiot and is interested in ect instead. I hate women that are into ect instead of etc.

Don't stick pins through their wings and tack them down to styrofoam board and stare at them through a magnifying glass.

I agree with this, too. Not only is this a big turn-off for most women, it will get you tossed into a maximum security prison for life.


Trying to calculate the whole thing just makes the situation awkward and weird.

Alas! Unfortunately, this statement is true, as well. There's graphs that clearly show this.

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It doesn't really matter, anyway. I'm becoming kind of turned off to the whole idea of marriage. It seems like that's something that can quickly get out of hand.

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  • #131
Sorry! said:
This thread has been highly entertaining thank you. :smile:

I agree, very entertaining indeed. Although I probably should have been working rather than reading through all of this. :rolleyes:

Sorry! said:
Why don't you just go to a dating website where they already have the formula and it is based on volunteering information which spews out non-sense rather than you yourself somehow 'gaining' this 'information' about random girls (who you don't know if they like you or not) and applying it to a formula which spews out non-sense.

An even faster method of getting a girl is to grow some balls, hit puberty, get off my internets, stop trying so hard, and ask a girl their name and out to coffee.

I agree here as well. You can learn a lot more through actual experience with women, not by running them through some statistical model in your head.


27Thousand said:
Post 58 explains and clears up the confusion on this https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2472787&postcount=58"

Just like some have learning disorders/dyslexia, what is to keep some from neurologically having problems with using gut feeling and instinct to pick up on social/flirting situations? For people like this, it's utterly useless for them to go on gut feeling and instinct. If they're good at Science, then they may need to take that other medium, just like some are visual learners while others are other types of learners. You know what I'm saying?

Like I said above, practice makes perfect. Even if you do have some neurological issue with picking up on a women's intentions, working on overcoming that issue through practice and experience is going to be a lot more beneficial to you than trying to analyze them and run them through your equations.

p.s. - I don't personally know any men that really understand women and can always read their body language and figure out their intentions. Some may be better than others but most of us will always find ourselves completely confused more often than we would like. If I ran off to write equations everytime I misread a girl's body language I would still be writing them today. And I'd probably be single.
 
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  • #132
I think most guys are born with a 'disorder' that doesn't let them clearly see womens intentions with them then. The difference between some guys is that they are scared to get embarassed. This has very little to do with the GIRLS intentions with YOU it has to do with your intentions with the girls.

Back when I was single everytime I would go talk to a girl I would hardly know anything abotu their intentions with me (unless they kept like looking over or something) I would just find someone I thought looked cute and go on over there and TALK to them. It does not take a rocket scientists to strike up a conversation. Of course if you were autistic or something of the sort we may have a problem. But beign able to read a girls intentions? Come on, I feel like your juts making excuses to make yourself feel like it's ok to be a chicken.
 
  • #133
tmyer2107 said:
p.s. - I don't personally know any men that really understand women and can always read their body language and figure out their intentions. Some may be better than others but most of us will always find ourselves completely confused more often than we would like. If I ran off to write equations everytime I misread a girl's body language I would still be writing them today. And I'd probably be single.

There might be some truth in this whole theorem and equations of sex and body language. I gave it a very through thought and I started to lay the axioms down:

AXIOM 1
"no man has an erectile dysfunction"

AXIOM 2
"everyone is going to get laid sooner or later"

THEOREM 1

" If she is naked and her legs are on your shoulders, you will have intercourse."
 
  • #134
tmyer2107 said:
p.s. - I don't personally know any men that really understand women and can always read their body language and figure out their intentions.

This is an A++ post. For a man ,the only way to get even remotely close to 100% in understanding women is to get daily massive doses of estrogens intravenous.

And this is a great thing !
 
  • #135
DanP said:
AXIOM 1
"no man has an erectile dysfunction"

This is incorrect. Erectile dysfunction is the reason Manny Ramirez was taking gonadotropins LH and HCG, which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs. While mainly prescribed for females, they also stimulate testosterone production for men with erectile dysfuntion if the erectile dysfuntion is caused by a testosterone deficiency (a condition that's a common side effect of steroid use).

AXIOM 2
"everyone is going to get laid sooner or later"
This is only true if AXIOM 3 is "all humans are reincarnated after they die". At least I hope it's true. Maybe hell is to be eternally reincarnated into a person who can never get laid.

THEOREM 1

" If she is naked and her legs are on your shoulders, you will have intercourse."

Which lifetime? This one? Next one? The one after the next one? (Not to be impatient or anything, but I really need to know).
 
  • #136
BobG said:
This is incorrect. Erectile dysfunction is the reason Manny Ramirez was taking gonadotropins LH and HCG, which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs. While mainly prescribed for females, they also stimulate testosterone production for men with erectile dysfuntion if the erectile dysfuntion is caused by a testosterone deficiency (a condition that's a common side effect of steroid use).
Did he really had an ED, or was taking various things and estrogen blockers to recover faster from training ? Kinda common with many athletes. Various forms of Tamoxifen are commonly used around here by male athletes.
 
  • #137
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http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2009-12-05/


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  • #138
GeorginaS said:
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http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2009-12-05/


:biggrin:

As far as working, if I base it on research that beats the null, then I'll get some sort of patterns going. The only possible concern, how strong/weak will these equations be? If I keep on tweaking at it/looking for new areas of info, then I might come up with something decent. By looking at many studies/data sets, I could come up with something not one of them alone could come up with (Aristotle said the whole is more than the sum of its parts). If the equation has predictive value (important in Science) and is falsifiable, then why not? Even if it says "Given these 5 variables, there is a 80% probability it'll be between this and this range", it would be useful for flirting technology to come up with it.
 
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  • #139
Didn't mathematical models work for Galileo and Newton?
 
  • #140
27Thousand said:
Didn't mathematical models work for Galileo and Newton?

Correct, but for worth while ideas.

Don't like to be rash, but using math to 'read' someone for dating/flirting is pointless and a horrible idea. It shows that you have a complete miss-understanding of basic human communication.

You keep posting random graphs and then go on to say that you want to tweak it by "adding calculus in" or "adding <insert random branch of math> in" which doesn't even make sense, showing you don't understand the math behind what you are attempting to say.

How about you actually do one of these "experiments" and come back when you actually have some results instead of just posting the same graphs and subjects in many different threads?

I'm sure some people here would love to hear how you wasted your time.

whs, OUT.
 
  • #141


whs said:
Correct, but for worth while ideas.

You're not saying human relationships are not worthwhile? Please tell me there's a misunderstanding here.

whs said:
You keep posting random graphs and then go on to say that you want to tweak it by "adding calculus in" or "adding <insert random branch of math> in" which doesn't even make sense, showing you don't understand the math behind what you are attempting to say.

I have a minor in Statistics. I hope you're not saying the various curve-fitting techniques they teach you in Statistics are false. Keep in mind it's brought much success to the field of economics and other areas. It's also being developed into a field called Mathematical Psychology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_psychology"
http://www.mathpsyc.uni-bonn.de/tutorials.htm"

Although many in the field of Psychology don't pay attention to it (yet), it was the same way for Newton. Tons of people were thinking of applying mathematics to the natural world and some were successful in some situations, but Newton went out and made it wide spread and rocked the joint. Why not do the same with flirting? Remember, many of the great people throughout history said innovation is only so much inspiration and mostly actually carrying it out and persistence. If I really drive that part for flirting strategies?
 
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  • #142
Some food for thought, didn't Isaac Newton say that mathematical models would eventually be applied to human beings and how they think? If we all put effort toward these models, wouldn't that be dedicating this effort to a good cause, praising Isaac Newton? He's our friend. That would seem appropriate for a place called PhysicsForums, you know what I'm saying?
 
  • #143
whs said:
then go on to say that you want to tweak it by "adding calculus in" or "adding <insert random branch of math> in" which doesn't even make sense, showing you don't understand the math behind what you are attempting to say.

Something you may not have considered, statisticians are constantly finding even better methods for curve fitting with data, just because one says they may try tweaking the details of the math doesn't mean they don't understand.

Even with the many many standard curve fitting techniques, those who make mathematical models still will tweak certain details by adding other things to it.

If I don't do that, even if my equation works well don't you think you'd probably just dismiss it saying I used statistical techniques and so I should have been original instead, even if it turns out to be a useful equation? Newton took other peoples' ideas which already existed, combined them together, and tweaked them, until he got some significant outcomes. It's a must to get critics to turn a way.
 
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  • #144
One note about foreign girls visiting: This is a very challenging demographic! For some reason, the "attractive european foreigner" seem to ring some subconscious sexual whistle for men. These girls are getting hit on all the time. Go for it, but don't be discouraged if it doesn't work out. (This also applies for American girls visiting foreign countries.)
 
  • #145
27Thousand said:
You're not saying human relationships are not worthwhile? Please tell me there's a misunderstanding here.

I have a minor in Statistics. I hope you're not saying the various curve-fitting techniques they teach you in Statistics are false. Keep in mind it's brought much success to the field of economics and other areas. It's also being developed into a field called Mathematical Psychology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_psychology"
http://www.mathpsyc.uni-bonn.de/tutorials.htm"

Although many in the field of Psychology don't pay attention to it (yet), it was the same way for Newton. Tons of people were thinking of applying mathematics to the natural world and some were successful in some situations, but Newton went out and made it wide spread and rocked the joint. Why not do the same with flirting? Remember, many of the great people throughout history said innovation is only so much inspiration and mostly actually carrying it out and persistence. If I really drive that part for flirting strategies?

I never said the contrary. I'm sorry you assumed all of the above.

Good luck.
 
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  • #146
27Thousand said:
Some food for thought, didn't Isaac Newton say that mathematical models would eventually be applied to human beings and how they think? If we all put effort toward these models, wouldn't that be dedicating this effort to a good cause, praising Isaac Newton? He's our friend. That would seem appropriate for a place called PhysicsForums, you know what I'm saying?

Mathematical models are applied to human behavior. They're used for things like marketing research. The MAJOR FLAW in your ideas that you keep overlooking or ignoring or refusing to accept is that models describe POPULATION behavior, NOT individual behavior. If you have a minor in statistics, you should understand the difference between populations and individuals in data sets. You should also understand that means that while you might be able to predict that in a large crowd, roughly a percentage of people will act in a particular way to a particular situation, the models will NOT tell you WHICH people will act that way.

The work I did for my Ph.D. involved studies of animal behavior where I had a LOT more control over variables than in a typical population of humans, and I still could not guarantee a particular male or female would act in a specific way at a specific time given a specific stimulus. I could only tell you within a 95% confidence interval that a particular behavior would happen more often in response to a particular stimulus than if that stimulus was not present. This is a great thing in a setting like an animal breeding program where we don't care that one specific cow is going to breed at a particular time to a particular bull, but rather that out of an entire herd of cattle, we'll get MORE cows to breed to at least one of the bulls with a particular treatment than if we do nothing.

So, if you want to set up a dating service, and you figure out that some particular thing is going to improve successes of matches, then that's a great use of a mathematical model of behavior. But, if you think you're ever going to have 100% success on the first try every time, or that you can walk into a bar and spot THE ONE PERFECT woman to ask out, who is guaranteed to accept your offer, you're off on a wild goose chase. You're more likely to have success in getting a date if you go out to places where women congregate and start asking them out than if you waste all your time obsessing over some mathematical model. You're also more likely to get them to KEEP going out with you if you DON'T bore them silly or irritate them with harping over your mathematical model when talking with them.
 
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I saw this a few minutes ago, and it reminded me of this thread :biggrin:
 
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Cyclovenom said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/k0xgjUhEG3U&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/k0xgjUhEG3U&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

I saw this a few minutes ago, and it reminded me of this thread :biggrin:

That's perfect!
 
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Cyclovenom said:
I saw this a few minutes ago, and it reminded me of this thread :biggrin:

And that, my icosaheptakilofriend, is a portryal of a person with Asperger's.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
And that, my icosaheptakilofriend, is a portryal of a person with Asperger's.

That's a clip from a fairly popular teevee show, is it not? Surely they don't have a character on the show who mocks someone with Asperger's. Or, I don't know. I'm asking, not asserting anything.

I just know that Zoobyshoe suggested Asperger's, and 27Thousand has repeated on almost every thread I've seen him on lately about wanting to write some sort of formula for reading body language and social situations with women.
 

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