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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Davisson and Germer experiment, exploring its implications for the wave-particle duality of electrons and the validity of the De Broglie hypothesis. Participants examine why the experiment is considered convincing evidence for wave behavior in electrons and question the applicability of the De Broglie formula to massive particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the Davisson and Germer experiment is seen as convincing evidence for wave behavior in electrons, suggesting that similar patterns could arise from particle behavior, using an analogy with baseballs on a ramp.
  • Another participant notes that the diffraction pattern observed in the experiment matched the predicted pattern for waves, implying wave-like behavior of electrons.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the convincing nature of the experiment and mentions that the De Broglie equation was widely accepted afterward.
  • One participant references the historical context, linking the 1927 experiment to Einstein's 1905 explanation of the photoelectric effect, which also involved wave-particle duality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the experiment's results and the implications for the De Broglie hypothesis. There is no consensus on why the experiment is considered so convincing, and questions remain about the applicability of the De Broglie formula to particles with mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the mathematical derivation of the De Broglie formula for massive particles and the historical context of wave-particle duality, but do not resolve these issues.

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I've read that this experiment gives clear evidence that electrons do behave like waves and that their wavelength is given by the De Broglie formula. Why did this experiment convince the world so hardly about all this? I mean, can't the experiment results be explained treating the electrons as particles?
Imagine you had an inclined ramp on the floor and you would let baseballs hit it, by letting them go from a certain distance above the ramp. You would have the baseballs be painted so that you could record the place in the floor where the they would land after hitting the ramp. After letting go like a thousand baseballs you would find a pattern in the floor. You will definitely have places where they would land most often, just like Davisson and Germer found with the diffraction patterns of the electrons. Still, you wouldn't attribute a wave-like nature to the baseballs.
I don't know if that was clear, but could someone tell me why the Davisson Germer was so convincing?? I've also been skeptic about the De Broglie hypothesis, I mean maybe particles do behave like waves, but what is the mathematical derivation to get to his formula? His formula is deduced for photons (mass=0), but then this guy comes and says maybe that that formula also applies to particles with mass. Maybe this formula needs some extra term for describing particles with mass?
 
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As far as I know, the diffraction pattern matched the predicted pattern exactly, should the electrons have behaved like ways.
 
Yes, I understand that the pattern found was pretty much that from waves... but still, can someone tell me why this experiment was so convincing? ... it was so convincing that de Broglie equation was undoubtly thought as being correct afterwards.
 
I'd have to review the History in detail, but this 1927 experiment also follows the 1905 explanation of the photoelectric effect by Einstein, where the photon was then seen as having a wave-particle duality.
 

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