Dead bodies - exponential decay

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The problem involves determining the time of death of a body based on temperature measurements using the model of exponential decay. The body was found at a temperature of 26°C, with a surrounding temperature of 18°C, and its temperature was recorded at 21°C two hours later.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial assumptions regarding the body's temperature at the time of death and the implications of using different values for the initial temperature in the exponential decay formula. There are questions about how to derive the constant k and the relationship between the two time points.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different equations derived from the temperature readings and discussing the relationship between the two time variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of equations and the substitution of variables, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the assumptions made regarding the initial temperature of the body and the time elapsed between the two temperature readings. Participants are also considering the implications of using different units for time in their calculations.

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A body is found at 2:00pm at a temperature of 26°C, with a surrounding temperature of 18°C.
Two hours later the temperature of the body is 21°C, when did the body die?
T=Ae^(kt)+Ts
where T is the temperature of the body
A is the initial temperature
k is a constant
t is time in minutes
Ts is the surrounding temperature
In order to do this assumed at t=0 the body would be 37°C because that is roughly a persons body temperature before death. When I substituted that in though I couldn't get k. How do I get k? Do I need any assumptions? Am I allowed to find k by doing the following
21=26e^(120k)+18 and re-arrange from there?
 
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jackscholar said:
In order to do this assumed at t=0 the body would be 37°C because that is roughly a persons body temperature before death. When I substituted that in though I couldn't get k. How do I get k? Do I need any assumptions? Am I allowed to find k by doing the following
21=26e^(120k)+18 and re-arrange from there?

You did identify A to be the initial temperature. So is 260C really the initial temperature?:wink:
 
I guess not, so how do I go about it then? Substitute in 37°C for the initial,
T=37e^(kt)+18, and if we let T=26 then
26=37e^(kt)+18? Then I can't find k or t, so It'd have to be
21=37e^(120k)+18
re-arrange to find k, but then that defeats the purpose of the other temperature given.
 
You have two equations:

[tex]26 = 37e^{kt_1}+18[/tex]

and

[tex]21 = 37e^{kt_2}+18[/tex]

What is the relationship between t1 and t2? In other words, [itex]t_2=t_1+?[/itex]
Once you find this, you'll have two equations in two unknowns.
 
Does it have anything to do with the 2 hours that had passed? Like t2=t1+120? or do we make the subject of both equations t and find it from there?
 
Yes you can combine those two last equations - do something obvious. I hope it's clear to you that representing as you have, if time is going forward k is a negative number. (Don't know where you got equation from but it is more usual to write as e-kt with k a positive number.) You will have to recall or revise how to combine terms with indices, and natural logarithms.
 
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jackscholar said:
Does it have anything to do with the 2 hours that had passed? Like t2=t1+120?

You're on the right track:smile:
 
jackscholar said:
Does it have anything to do with the 2 hours that had passed? Like t2=t1+120? or do we make the subject of both equations t and find it from there?

You're right, t2=t1+120 where t is measured in minutes, but I'd stick to hours so you have t2=t1+2.
Now, if you replace t2 by that expression then you'll have two equations and two unknowns, mainly k and t1. You're looking to find t1 since that represents the time (in hours or minutes, depending on the units you used) before 2:00pm.

And yes, begin by making the subject of both equations t1 so that you can find k by equating each equation.

In other words,

[tex]t_1 = f_1(k)[/tex]

[tex]t_1 = f_2(k)[/tex]

Then

[tex]f_1(k)=f_2(k)[/tex]

And you can solve k here. Once that's done, just plug k into either f1 or f2 (depending on which you think might be easier to simplify) to find t1
 

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