Deceleration time for studded snow tires

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The discussion centers on calculating the deceleration time for a car equipped with studded snow tires, specifically focusing on a stopping distance of 23 meters from an initial speed of 25 mph on packed powder at 0 degrees Celsius. Participants explore various methods to determine the time taken to stop, including using the equation d = 0.5at² + vt and the implications of average velocity over specific intervals. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately modeling deceleration and the relationship between speed, distance, and time, while also referencing a study on stopping distances for vehicles with studded tires.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of kinematic equations, particularly d = 0.5at² + vt
  • Familiarity with concepts of average velocity and deceleration
  • Knowledge of the relationship between speed, distance, and time in physics
  • Basic understanding of friction coefficients and their impact on stopping distances
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  • Research the application of SUVAT equations in real-world scenarios
  • Explore the effects of different tire types on stopping distances on various surfaces
  • Investigate methods for calculating average velocity over non-uniform intervals
  • Study the relationship between kinetic energy and stopping distance in vehicle dynamics
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Automotive engineers, physics students, accident reconstruction specialists, and anyone interested in vehicle safety and dynamics on slippery surfaces.

  • #31
2ad=v^2
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m=1/a? mass is inversely related to acceleration, I believe that...but m=1/a, not necessarily.
 
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  • #32
BvU said:
Energy. The kinetic energy from the moving car is dissipated by the friction force the road exerts on the tyres.

Really? I just rediscovered the "kinematics equations" about a month ago. They are a godsend for idiots like myself.

if v_0^2 = 0
then the following kinematic equation
v^2 = v_0^2 + 2 a \Delta x
reduces to
v^2 = 2 a \Delta x
which rearranged becomes
\Delta x = v^2 / 2 a

hmmmm... kinetic energy:
ke = 1/2 m v^2
f = m a --> m = f / a
therefore
ke = 1/2 (f/a) v^2 = f v^2 / 2a
and
W = \Delta ke = fd
rearranged yields
f=ke/d
and since ke_f = 0
we get
ke = ( ke/d ) v^2 / (2a)
multiplying both sides by d/ke yields, once again
d = v^2 / 2a

Ha! That works too. Thanks! :smile:

[edit: Why do I always catch my errors after pushing the post button...:redface:]
 
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  • #33
Heidi Henkel said:
Energy is not part of that equation.
That confused the heck out of me too! But I know from experience, that they don't give out Homework Helper badges to just anyone.
 
  • #34
It's not really rocket science... (which itself is rather overrated in my opinion :smile: ) and a badge (or a PhD, for that matter) is no guarantee against stupidities.

You can check wikipedia or hyperphysics for the formulas.

Interesting reading, this 2002 pdf. I notice Table 5 and table 6 show big differerences in deceleration/acceleration.
Table 5:
If we look at the snow ones, the deceleration is around $${ (11 {\rm\ m/s}) ^2\over 2 \times (20 {\rm \ m})} \approx 3 {\rm \ m/s^2} $$ using this $$ {1\over 2} mv_{\rm end}^2 - {1\over 2} mv_0^2 = F_{\rm friction} \times d_s = - ma\times d_s$$ energy dissipation equation :wink:. That is pretty good !
The bare pavement ones are plain excellent : ##\approx 12 {\rm \ m/s^2} ## ! Hurray for ABS (you did notice that in the text ?)

(question: the 20 feet skid marks in the snow - were they from a vehicle with ABS ? What tyres did it have ?)

Table 6:
Even easier to calculate acceleration: a mere ##\approx 1.2 {\rm \ m/s^2} ## ! No traction control, apparently ? (the opposite of ABS).

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I am puzzled about table 12: much more deceleration, and no explanation in the text. Makes one suspect that friction is better at higer speeds...

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