Decent job with just bachelor & PhD but no industrial experience?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the career prospects for a final year BEng Civil Engineering undergraduate who is considering pursuing a PhD in Computational Engineering. Participants explore potential job opportunities in both civil engineering and finance, particularly in the context of lacking industrial experience.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that without industrial experience, the individual would likely be limited to entry-level civil engineering jobs.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of financial institutions hiring a bachelor's graduate in engineering, unless for very basic roles.
  • Contrasting views arise regarding the job market in the US versus the UK, with some arguing that engineering graduates are more sought after in finance in the UK.
  • There is a suggestion that having a PhD in engineering, particularly with computational experience, could improve job prospects in finance.
  • Some participants question whether a PhD in engineering is viewed as equally or more valuable compared to a bachelor's degree in terms of job opportunities.
  • It is noted that advanced knowledge and skills gained from a PhD could open up better job opportunities, particularly in fields that require such expertise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the job prospects in finance for engineering graduates, with some believing that a PhD could enhance opportunities while others remain skeptical. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the value of a PhD in engineering compared to a bachelor's degree in terms of employability.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference geographical differences in job markets (US vs. UK) and the impact of industrial experience on employability, but these points remain unresolved and depend on various assumptions about the job market.

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As a final year BEng Civil Engineering undergraduate, I currently hold an offer to do a fully funded PhD in Computational Engineering. I should be 23 by time I finish this. Should I opt to not remain in Academia, and with virtually no industrial experience, what sort of decent paid work could I be looking at?

I've thought about a career in finance or banking, but would I still be able to become a Civil Engineer?
 
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You'd be looking at entry-level Civil Engineering jobs, obviously. With no experience (not even an internship?) the field will not be tilted in your favor.

I've thought about a career in finance or banking, but would I still be able to become a Civil Engineer?
No offense, but the odds of a financial or banking institution hiring a Bachelor's graduate in engineering are exceedingly low... unless you're looking to be a teller.
 
fss said:
You'd be looking at entry-level Civil Engineering jobs, obviously. With no experience (not even an internship?) the field will not be tilted in your favor.


No offense, but the odds of a financial or banking institution hiring a Bachelor's graduate in engineering are exceedingly low... unless you're looking to be a teller.

Perhaps in the US. Not in the UK. Engineering graduates are highly sought after in the financial industry. My concern is whether a PhD Engineering is equally or better regarded.
 
fss said:
No offense, but the odds of a financial or banking institution hiring a Bachelor's graduate in engineering are exceedingly low... unless you're looking to be a teller.

If the candidate has a Ph.D. in engineering and a lot of computational experience, it's not particularly difficult to get a job in finance.
 
ilustrius said:
My concern is whether a PhD Engineering is equally or better regarded.

If you do something computationally complicated then yes.
 
ilustrius said:
As a final year BEng Civil Engineering undergraduate, I currently hold an offer to do a fully funded PhD in Computational Engineering. I should be 23 by time I finish this. Should I opt to not remain in Academia, and with virtually no industrial experience, what sort of decent paid work could I be looking at?

You should be looking at something that requires the advanced knowledge and skills that you gain from your PhD.

I've thought about a career in finance or banking, but would I still be able to become a Civil Engineer?

Of course you can still become an engineer with a BEng in civil engineering and a PhD in computational engineering. But when you see the pay-packets from finance and banking you may be persuaded to change your mind.
 

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