Decline and fall of the Nobel Peace Prize

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the awarding of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, exploring concerns about the implications for the credibility of the Nobel Prize, the criteria for awarding such honors, and the potential political motivations behind the decision. Participants express a range of opinions regarding the appropriateness of the award based on Obama's actions and intentions, with a focus on the nature of peace efforts and the timing of the recognition.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that awarding the prize to Obama is premature, arguing that it should be based on concrete accomplishments rather than intentions or ambitions.
  • Others suggest that the Nobel Committee's decision may have been politically motivated, potentially undermining the prize's credibility.
  • A few participants compare Obama's award to past controversial recipients, questioning the criteria used for selection.
  • There are discussions about whether Obama should decline the prize, referencing historical instances of declined awards and the implications of such a decision.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the uniqueness of Obama's vision for peace, suggesting that many leaders share similar aspirations without receiving awards.
  • Concerns are raised about the public reception of the award in Norway, with references to polls indicating mixed opinions among the populace.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the decision to award Obama the prize is contentious and raises questions about its implications. However, there is no consensus on whether the award is justified or on the motivations behind it, with multiple competing views remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the lack of clarity regarding the criteria for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize, noting that the decision appears to be based on future potential rather than past achievements. There are also references to the historical context of previous awardees, suggesting a pattern of controversial selections.

  • #241


Gokul43201 said:
And how many pages must a thread run down before we see any sign of substantiation for the assertion that the selection of Obama was so dumbfoundingly ill-deserved that anyone who calls it merely "hard to defend" ought to be labeled a "cheerleader"?
Much of the anti-Obama material seems to me to be on no more lofty a level than Kanye West's rants about Taylor Swift's VMA award.

I could go on and on about her achievements at age 18-19, but Wiki has a pretty good run-down.

According to Nielsen SoundScan, Swift was the biggest selling artist of 2008 in the United States with combined sales of more than four million albums. Swift's Fearless and her self-titled album finished 2008 at number three and number six respectively, with sales of 2.1 and 1.5 million.[6] She was the first artist in the history of Nielsen SoundScan to have two different albums in the Top 10 on the year end album chart.[6] Fearless has topped the Billboard 200 in 11 non-consecutive weeks.[7] No album has spent more time at number one since 1999-2000. It also was the first album by a female artist in country music history to log eight weeks at #1 on The Billboard 200. In mid-January 2009, Swift became the first country artist to top the 2 million mark in paid downloads with three different songs.[8] As of the week ending February 8, 2009, Swift's single "Love Story" became the country song with most paid downloads in history and the first country song to top the Mainstream Top 40 chart.[9][10] Swift then subsequently went onto replicate the feat, reaching #1 again on the Mainstream Top 40 in September 2009 with "You Belong With Me", making it just the second country song in the chart's history to reach the top. [11] According to the 2009 issue of Forbes, Swift is ranked as the 69th most powerful celebrity with over $18 million in earnings this year.[12]

Now, she hasn't earned any "life-time achievement" awards, but she has been incredibly popular and influential in her field, and at a very young age. Most musicians would be proud and happy for her, but not Kanye. He hadn't the insight, the maturity, nor the class to graciously acknowledge her accomplishments and the fact that she just "might" have earned that award.
 
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  • #242


turbo-1 said:
Much of the anti-Obama material seems to me to be on no more lofty a level than Kanye West's rants about Taylor Swift's VMA award.

If this isn't the one of the greatest derailments of a thread in the history of PF...

Yeah, so now if you think that Obama winning the peace prize when he had only been in office for a couple of weeks is fishy, you're just like Kanye!

Someone tag this post to the thread about the decline of PF.
 
  • #243
arildno said:
Sure, Gokul.

And that archaism has never been observed, neither in the scientific prizes or elsewhere.
If you read a little carefully, you will note that the "archaism" isn't the only phrase that I underlined.

arildno said:
Furthermore, Morgan Tswangerai did more than Obama last year as well.
And even if you didn't read too carefully, you'd have noticed that I mentioned Tsvangirai in a more-than-one-person-long list in my earlier post, of deserving candidates. And if you wanted to make a coherent argument, couldn't you, at the very least, take the trouble of enumerating what it is that Tsvangirai did more of, last year, than Obama?
 
  • #244
Gokul43201 said:
..enumerating what it is that Tsvangirai did more of, last year, than Obama?

Since you are talking about *last year*... What did Obama do last year besides run a winning campaign?
 
  • #245


seycyrus said:
Yeah, so now if you think that Obama winning the peace prize when he had only been in office for a couple of weeks is fishy, you're just like Kanye!
If this isn't one of the greatest misrepresentations of the word "week"...

And I obviously meant, "during the past year". But at least you have now graduated from making no contribution at all, to nitpicking language errors. Congrats!
 
  • #246


turbo-1 said:
In this case, Obama did not seek the award - it was bestowed upon him by an independent committee, but still it is used as en excuse to attack him.
I guess I haven't been following the thread closely, but I thought we* were using the award to attack the Nobel Prize Committee? (And to a lesser extent, the politicians who have decided to play along with it)

*: And that includes you, at least originally.[/size]
 
  • #247


Gokul43201 said:
If this isn't one of the greatest misrepresentations of the word "week"...

And I obviously meant, "during the past year". But at least you have now graduated from making no contribution at all, to nitpicking language errors. Congrats!

Excuse me sir, you have made an error!

The post that you respond to was my response to turbo-1, you you.

I will graciously ignore this error, but must ask. What did Obama do during the past year, prior to when the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize were closed?
 
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