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News Decline and fall of the Nobel Peace Prize

  1. Oct 9, 2009 #1

    arildno

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    Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    Barack Obama has won the Nobel Prize for 2009.

    First off, congratulations to USA and President Obama.

    Secondly, as a Norwegian, I am deeply worried about how this will affect the credibility and status of the Nobel prize as such:

    While Mr. Obama certainly has displayed a willingness, and ambition, to make the world a more peaceful place, I think it was far too early to award him the prize this year.

    Clearly, the Nobel commitee is determined to award it to him in order to give his peaceful efforts an extra push.

    But, this can easily backfire, as an ill-judged, hasty decision that will reduce the Prize into a matter of international irrelevance.

    A risky move, IMO
     
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  3. Oct 9, 2009 #2

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    Compared to Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho - how bad can it get?

    I do agree that it is risky. A lot can happen between now and the end of his term. One could argue that it was more about, to use your words, willingness and ambition, than concrete tangible results. On the other hand, everything may work out well and it may appear prescient.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2009 #3

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    Thirdly, as a Swede, I am deeply worried about the populistic manner in which the Norwegian committee is handing out the peace prize.

    Ok, this is not as bad as in 2007 and, especially, 1994 (!), but seriously, this threatens to spill over and damage the reputations of the "true" prizes. I thought the prize was supposed to be given out for something which had happened, and not what will possibly happen. This is like giving the physics prize to Peter Higgs.

    (Don't get me wrong, I really like Obama.)
     
  5. Oct 9, 2009 #4

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    The first thing I thought as well was "that's fast".
     
  6. Oct 9, 2009 #5
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    Don't you actually have to do something in order to be eligible to win a Nobel prize?
     
  7. Oct 9, 2009 #6
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    Woah, when I first read the title of this I thought it was a joke. What exactly has Obama done that warrants him getting the prize? I want one too now..
     
  8. Oct 9, 2009 #7
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    Has anyone ever declined the Peace Prize and would this be humble/smart on Obama's part or make matters worse?
     
  9. Oct 9, 2009 #8
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    For now we have the press release
    There is also this aspect, one must loose sight, between the politics of fears and nightmares, and the politics of hopes and dreams.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2009 #9
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    Do they mean in that press release, that no one else has ever had this vision??? My neighbors DOG has this vision!
     
  11. Oct 9, 2009 #10

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    The reason for the award - "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". What extraordinary efforts?!

    I think it premature to give Obama the peace prize. At the moment, he's just doing the job he is supposed to do as president.

    The prize should be awarded for accomplishments, not willingness to accomplish something.
     
  12. Oct 9, 2009 #11
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    I don't think awards should ever be given out for "good intentions." I mean this is not Peewee football no one should get awards for simply participating. What kind of light does this shine on the other recipients. Is theirs just as symbolic.

    I think they should consider him once he has at least made some specific attempts at accomplishing what has been described in the award. Not simply giving him an award for talking about doing these things.

    How many world leaders have discussed a want to pursue open world diplomacy and nuclear disarmament only to turn around and do something else or fail.

    I think it was premature and a stunt on the part of the committee.
     
  13. Oct 9, 2009 #12

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    So why didn't you nominate Fido? :biggrin:
     
  14. Oct 9, 2009 #13
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    Well frankly no one ever asks me. But since that prize may soon be up for grabs again soon.... I nominate FRED.. (the dog)!
    And since this is a big time for awards, congratulations to you and how do I get my signature to work? :) Thanks.
     
  15. Oct 9, 2009 #14

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    To give a few details about the reception of the news here in Norway:

    a) Dagbladet, an influential newspaper here (and an "Obamafan"-paper as well), had a poll on the reception:
    Of approx. 12000, 46% were against, 30% supportive.
    Being somewhat of an embarrassment for the Obama-clique in dagbladet, it seems they have withdrawn the poll altogether.

    b) This decision has most likely been browbeaten into fruition by the Comittee's new chairman, previous Prime Minister and Parlamentary President, Torbjørn Jagland.

    He would easily have cowed any (well-founded) internal opposition, due to the personalities of the other members of NC.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2009 #15
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    As an American, I can already see that this will be the topic of the week and am already sick of the stupid arguments this will cause. The Republican party will criticize the President as if he had something to do with it, and the Democrats will be starry-eyed for the rest of the term.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2009 #16

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    EDIT:
    After some difficulty, I found Dagbladet's poll again:
    Respondents now at 40000+, against: 51%, supportive: 26%
     
  18. Oct 9, 2009 #17
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    I agree with the general consensus here that perhaps it was a bit politicized, but of course there have been some weird recipients throughout history, such as Kissinger, Mother Teresa, The 14th Dalai Lama and Arafat, to name a few.

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
     
  19. Oct 9, 2009 #18

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    Of course, he would then "join" the company with Mr. Le Duc Tho, the North vietnamese who were given a joint prize in 1973 along with Henry Kissinger. Le Duc Tho chose to decline (not surprising, perhaps, since the North Vietnamese had no intention to keep their side of the bargain, anyway).

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/shortfacts.html
     
  20. Oct 9, 2009 #19
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    Must have been a slow year for peace.

    How exactly does his vision differ from anyone elses? And since when does a vision warrant a peace prize?
    This is on par with the Grammys.
     
  21. Oct 9, 2009 #20

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    Although the voting is secret, it is very probable that the 3 indiduals (out of 5) who finalized the decision was:

    Thorbjørn Jagland

    Sissel Rønbeck

    Ågot Valle

    Jagland and Rønbeck both have careers from the Labour party, Valle from the Socialist Left.

    Kaci Five (Conservatives) and Inger-Marie Ytterhorn (Party of Progress) may well have had strong reservations, but have been "commanded" to keep their mouths shut.

    Only once has internal dissent within the NC been made public, when Kåre Kristiansen lodged a formal dissent at the decision to award Yasser Arafat the Peace Prize in 1994 (co-sharing with Rabin and Peres).
     
  22. Oct 9, 2009 #21
    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    Fred...(the dog) would happily accept a Grammy for his constant barking, yapping and rapping, but decline the Nobel Peace prize for all the headache it would cause. And he says he is a Dog not a puppet.
     
  23. Oct 9, 2009 #22

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    Re: Nobel Prize to Barack Obama

    Bush was doing the same :wink:

    But seriously, while I appreciate shift of the paradigm in US international policy, I agree that the prize awarded to Obama today is a nonsense. From my end of the world it seems like he has the potential to became one of those people who earnt the prize, but as of today it is long from happening.
     
  24. Oct 9, 2009 #23

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    I thought it was a joke when someone told me.. I was waiting for the punchline!
     
  25. Oct 9, 2009 #24
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    My thoughts exactly. I mean like he HAS done extremely well on the international political field (as far as I know) and made some great strides but I still feel its a bit premature for the prize. Imo it would be a perfectly O.K. decision on Obama's part to decline the prize... he's very charismatic so I'm sure he could defuse the entire situation. Has anyone declined the prize on the basis they felt they hadn't 'earned' it before?


    @cristo

    me too haha when I woke up this morning and saw this thread I didn't think it was true. Actually it was the last thing in my mind. I have nothing against Obama I actually am really supportive of him and his views but like come onnnnnn.
     
  26. Oct 9, 2009 #25
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    That was my first thought (once my husband really insisted he wasn't joking). I'm worried that public opinion about this prize will negatively impact the domestic and foreign policies that he's presently forwarding.
     
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