Define & Prove Abrahamic God: Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent

[munky99999]

Serpo
i think I am done argueing with you. you have failed completely at the factual definition of omnipotence. or you simply are avoiding the question.

What keeps your heart beating? What makes your arm move? If you focus you can control these things. Yes you do have all powerful control over yourself and the future outcome of this Earth... if you wish to deny that then we will all fail and self destruct.

thats what you don't understand. ok sure you have pretty wide control over your arm. But there are features that you simply CANNOT do EVER. Which omnipotence states you can.

If you are truly omnipotent over your body. You would have the power to human combust and reform back.
So Serpo you must state clearly that you can/could do this. OR its simply not omnipotence. and i want an answer for this before anymore.

You are the one failing to understand what omnipotence is... because you won't let yourself simply believe that it is true.

I have given the definition and i completely understand what omnipotence is. So you must have a WRONG definition for the word. Or else the above thing can be done.

When a Jehova's Witness knocks on my door, why do I always slam the door in their face?

Hey not me. I was outside during the summer talking to my neighbour about life and stuff. Hes a funny guy. Hes been to jail and everything and he speaks about what its like in jail. About all the pranks he's done. Anyway jehovahs show up and they are like "hi. we are to enlighten you about life" well it ended up with me deconverting the old guy. and the woman left crying about half way through. About the point where i showed her about the rules she has to follow to be a good christian. I believe it was Mark 7:9-10 which has jesus saying to kill disobedient children in essence. which in relation is Exodus 21:15-17 and leviticus 20:9

Because I am not looking to be converted. Nor am I open to anything they have to say. What makes their conversion tactic any different from yours?

Well I am semi-open-minded. I will listen to any evidence or proof which would stand up in science and rational/logic arguement. Not vague sayings which just claim to be true and be righteous without anything to back them up.

What makes their conversion tactic any different? well first of all. Let me point out. I am not here to convert anything. I am here to deconvert from illogical irrational beliefs. Virtually. the same argument can be used for say ohhhh about everything in science. How is their conversion tactic any different from a psychologist? Well its not if you put it that way. So your saying that we should stop(or give no credence to) all suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, psychiatrists. They all take an illogical irrational problem and deconvert them from it. to leave a blank slate of logic and rational thought.

So your difference is. They want to give you their dogma. I want to give you logic. now logic is true. plenty of evidence for it obviously. while the jehovahs are selling the opposite.

 

[Serpo]

It's ok. I never intended to argue with you. Rather I came here to be understood and to share how you can maximize the experience of this existence by setting no limitations on yourself... that is the omnipotency that I speak of. I didn't come here intending for someone to spend all of their tme trying to prove me wrong... I know what I speak of is already right. I just wanted someone, if only just one person, to understand me... every change counts. Get motivation and enthusiasm from what I tell them... and perhaps change their life for the better. I'm not selling religion. I'm not selling books. I'm sharing a state of mind that has been reached through seeking what it was that I wished to discover and possess... which I am now achieving. As I said earlier... you are not informed well on this subject to begin with... you need to reasearch Eastern religions and some of the things that their Monks are capable of. Nazi Germany and their total body/mind control. I have no doubts anymore... with my own experiences and others as well... that almost anything can and will be done in time by only using the mind. You claim to be Christian... and believe in a God that is correct... a religion that says only Christians will make it to heaven... because you must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour... it's this ignorance that brings about world division and war... it is simply and obviously illogical to make such a conclusion when there are hundreds, if not thousands of other religions in the world that you fail to recognize. Again, for world peace to be achieved we must recognize WHAT our God is... It will be a common God... and I have given you the answers. There is no room for the ignorance and death that is brought about in fighting over the "who" of Gods and prophets. If it's logic and reasoning you seek... I'm right here.. don't be afraid to be my friend because I am different. :) How can someone (me) who seeks truth, peace and honesty... ever betray you? I can't even argue anymore.. it's a waste of time. Negativity is a waste of time. This life is ONE... there is not another. Maximize your efficiency. Life is not found in death. It is found here and now. We all have the potential to create heaven here on Earth... but we have been misinformed that this is only for an afterlife. If that is what you accept then you will never reach the potential and state of mind that is needed to create a peaceful world. You can create heaven in your mind at this very moment. It is not taboo. The idea was given to us, for us to sieze... not to push away into the idea of fairy tale and non-existence.

 

[Lacy33]

Are you now, for what I count as twice, drawing comparison between your intent to pushing a unanimously rejected style of communicating your PERSONAL belief system in, at times rude and insulting ways to "Nazi Germany and their total body/mind control"?

Is there a mentor watching this thread?
Do we merit some assistance please?

 

[Serpo]

No... you misunderstand... Nazi Germany... is the time period when total body control was being experimented with... er... :-/ oh well.. have at me.. rip me up... I have not insulted anyone on this site. Nor will I ever intend to, and if I ever have, never again. Gosh.. rude and insulting can be thrown around so loosely now days, can't it? I love you Shosh... You're all getting me somewhat down.. that's not a good sign... I suppose I should stay away for a couple days. No one wants to look at my philosophies.. instead take my words out of context... and falsify my ambitions... bleh... oh well. :) Soon enough you'll have to accept what your God is and not who... even if it means waiting for world war and nuclear terrorism. It appears as if you'd rather have the moderator shut me up than have any discussion with me on the matter. Suit yourself.

Peace and love in the light of truth,
David.

What is insulting about it? One would have to take offence to it to notice an insultive nature. If that is the position that you are in, then you are in the wrong boat to begin with. I’ve stated my intentions and the conduct and context in which I am presenting them. This is not an insulting thread, I am sharing my thoughts and my research, how can that possibly be insulting to anyone when presented in such a kind manner? You are finding insult where it doesn’t exist because you are trying so hard to bring me down instead of just trying to understand and discuss what it is that I am trying to get across and present to you. You can control that as well. Or you can try and become my enemy? I just want to make some friends while we chat. Or is that such a rigid contribution to be asking for? It's not about first place, it's about truth and balance, which brings peace and understanding. Let's try and put that into practice. I can't be the only one doing it.

I am sensing too much hostility here. It's not good. Too many first place contestants and not enough team players... you know? We're all in this together... next time anyone here writes a post responding to someone(in any thread/category/forum), try saying something nice about them before you wrap it up. It helps... trust me. It not only helps you two get along and understand each other... it helps truth flow. If that other person doesn't want to deal with it... you don't have to stoop down to their level. Pick up your head and continue to spread some love and joy. I don't see much of that... it COULD be everywhere. If we lead by example, people will notice, and this world will begin to change. All it takes is for us to start changing... we all know we want it. Who likes to be stressed out everyday? I don't.. Scratch someones back, give a friend a massage. Give a hug or a smile. There's nothing wrong with making other people feel good. Don't be scared to face yourself. When I say yoursef, I mean all of us. Afterall, we all effect each other and we all create the future. What kind of example are YOU(everyone who is reading this) setting? We are all examples for each other, not just for the children.

Today the future was created, what part did you play?

 

[Serpo]

munky, if it helps you believe anything I say... please don't ridicule me... I've seen others ridiculed for this, and they have lost all their credibility. I have made a UFO appear. There you have it. I'm sure the thread will be locked now. In any case, I've come clean with one of the so called "supernatural" phenomena that you speak of. I just call it natural. Shwew. And there is the "raison d'être"... I'm not sure how many others are competent of this, or if it's just a special gift for me. Who else would tell anyone? I have nothing to hide. Why should you believe me anyway? Telling the truth always gets me in trouble. Peace...

 

[munky99999]

WAIT WAIT WAIT. SERPO you completely avoided the question.

If you are truly omnipotent over your body. You would have the power to human combust and reform back.
So Serpo you must state clearly that you can/could do this. OR its simply not omnipotence. and i want an answer for this before anymore.

This is NOT an arguement. This is NOT redicule. IT IS a definition or more understanding of your beliefs. Please just answer the question.

and please stop the preaching about how your the way to righteousness and you are love and goodness and that boring crap. Every belief claims this. So cut the **** and answer this question. We can go on from there.

 

[munky99999]

munky, if it helps you believe anything I say... please don't ridicule me... I've seen others ridiculed for this, and they have lost all their credibility. I have made a UFO appear. There you have it. I'm sure the thread will be locked now. In any case, I've come clean with one of the so called "supernatural" phenomena that you speak of. I just call it natural. Shwew. And there is the "raison d'être"... I'm not sure how many others are competent of this, or if it's just a special gift for me. Who else would tell anyone? I have nothing to hide. Why should you believe me anyway? Telling the truth always gets me in trouble. Peace...

Oh yes. Prophet Yahweh i believe it was. Lemme do a search.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=77086&highlight=prophet+yahweh"
Essentially his proof and what would have allowed him to win the $1million of http://randi.org/"
He clearly failed to. He was going to make a UFO appear and hover over Las Vegas. I am very very sure he didnt or else it would be more widely broadcasted news then the pope dieing.

So all in all. SErpo. you have been shown to be the fraud you are.

 

[RVBuckeye]

Hey not me. I was outside during the summer talking to my neighbour about life and stuff. Hes a funny guy. Hes been to jail and everything and he speaks about what its like in jail. About all the pranks he's done. Anyway jehovahs show up and they are like "hi. we are to enlighten you about life" well it ended up with me deconverting the old guy. and the woman left crying about half way through. About the point where i showed her about the rules she has to follow to be a good christian. I believe it was Mark 7:9-10 which has jesus saying to kill disobedient children in essence. which in relation is Exodus 21:15-17 and leviticus 20:9

Good for you. They initiated the conversation, not you.

Well I am semi-open-minded. I will listen to any evidence or proof which would stand up in science and rational/logic arguement. Not vague sayings which just claim to be true and be righteous without anything to back them up.

(we're talking religion here). I've had it crammed down my throat since birth, so I'm a little closed-minded since I've heard it all before.

What makes their conversion tactic any different? well first of all. Let me point out. I am not here to convert anything. I am here to deconvert from illogical irrational beliefs.

As long as you admit it. I am just saying it's a little underhanded.

Virtually. the same argument can be used for say ohhhh about everything in science. How is their conversion tactic any different from a psychologist? Well its not if you put it that way. So your saying that we should stop(or give no credence to) all suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, psychiatrists. They all take an illogical irrational problem and deconvert them from it. to leave a blank slate of logic and rational thought.

What are you talking about? How do you skew what I said, (about your de-conversion tactic) to stopping suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, and psychiatry? I don't see your logic there.

So your difference is. They want to give you their dogma. I want to give you logic. now logic is true. plenty of evidence for it obviously. while the jehovahs are selling the opposite.

That's why I used Jehova's Witnesses as my example, they are initiating the conversation. Which, imo, is underhanded.

Just so you know, we're on the same team here. People get turned off by pushy salesman. It works both ways. That's all I'm saying. Take it or leave it.

I'll re-set your trap for you:

Hey everyone, post your beliefs about God. Just don't worry about why Monkey999999 want's to know.

I wish I had an extra pair of hands, so I could give this thread 4 thumbs down.

 

[munky99999]

What are you talking about? How do you skew what I said, (about your de-conversion tactic) to stopping suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, and psychiatry? I don't see your logic there.

lets do suicide hotlines.

PErson X believes in roman catholicism.
Person X talks with the jehovahs.
Person X is deconverted from roman catholicism
Person X is converted to jehovah.

Person Y believes life isn't worth living
Person Y calls&talks with suicide hotline
Person Y is Deconverted from the suicide thing.
Person Y is converted to liking life.

All the jehovahs and the suicide hotlines are doing is taking what they believe to be Incorrect beliefs. deconverting and then converting to what they want them to believe.

So in essence the thing is all the same. As for who initiated what? It doesn't matter. The same thing happens either way. Some suicide people fail and are FORCED to goto fix it up. so essentially its the suicide hotline type thing that is initiating it. Or if the person calls in they are initiating.

same thing goes for the jehovahs. they are simply forcing you. or you can go on your own.

That's why I used Jehovah's Witnesses as my example, they are initiating the conversation. Which, imo, is underhanded.

Same thing can be said for most things that want to change you infact. you can even say Alcohols Anonymous is the same way. A very good portion of the people that are in there. will say "I don't have a drinking problem, but the judge forced me here."
The judge/AA is the one initiating it because they person with the drinking problem won't even admit to it. the problem.

So in essence its not who initiates it. Its the people who don't have a good reason to be that way.

 

[Lou1024]

Serpo,
Thank you, You have posted the exact words I was thinking in your original post. Very nice definition of your own God, I understand entirely what you mean.
-Lou