Defining Impulse: The Importance of a New Quantity in Physics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of impulse in physics, particularly its definition, significance, and the rationale behind introducing new quantities in the field. Participants explore the relationship between impulse, momentum, and forces acting over short time intervals, as well as the implications of these concepts in various physical scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define impulse as the product of force and time, Δp = FΔt, and question the necessity of introducing new quantities in physics.
  • Others highlight the relationship between impulse and momentum, suggesting that impulse is analogous to work in the context of energy transfer.
  • One participant argues that impulse is particularly useful in scenarios where the details of the force are unknown, such as in collisions involving non-rigid bodies.
  • A later reply challenges the initial definition of impulse, stating that it is more accurately defined as the integral of force over time, which equals the change in momentum.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the utility of the formula FΔt, arguing that it is not helpful on its own without additional context.
  • Conversely, others defend the usefulness of FΔt, particularly in calculating average impact forces during collisions.
  • There is a suggestion that the introduction of new quantities is essential for problem-solving and understanding complex physical phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and utility of impulse and related quantities. There is no consensus on the necessity of introducing new quantities, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding impulse.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and interpretations of impulse depend on the context of force application and the nature of the physical scenario being analyzed. The discussion reflects varying levels of acceptance regarding the utility of different formulations of impulse.

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Sometimes there are forces which act for very small time known as impulsive forces. We cannot measure such large forces acting in a very short time but we can ##\Delta p##. ##\Delta p=F\Delta t##.This quantity is defined as Impulse.
Why do we keep introducing new quantities? When is a new quantity defined or introduced in physics? What is the need for impulse?
 
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Not sure this answers your questions, but :
There is the work - energy theorem and the impulse-momentum theorem. Impulse is to momentum what work is to energy.

Both theorems are consequences of Newton's 2nd law.
 
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rudransh verma said:
When is a new quantity defined or introduced in physics?
When it's useful.
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What is the need for impulse?
When you need the momentum change but don't know the details of the force. For example, consider a collision between non-rigid bodies. The force depends on the current deformation, so is strongly time dependent and it's difficult to work with. But if we just want to know their velocities after the collision we can just conserve momentum and energy, and the change in momentum is the impulse.
 
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rudransh verma said:
Sometimes there are forces which act for very small time known as impulsive forces. We cannot measure such large forces acting in a very short time but we can Δp. Δp=FΔt.This quantity is defined as Impulse.
Yours is an approximate definition, exactly true only for constant forces.
The actual definition of impulse is $$Impulse= \int F(t)\,dt$$ and by Newton's law it is equal to the change in momentum. It is sometimes useful: if you don't like it, don't use it.
 
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rudransh verma said:
When is a new quantity defined or introduced in physics?
Conserved quantities like momentum and energy are useful for predictions, because they restrict the possible outcomes.

rudransh verma said:
What is the need for impulse?
Impulse is transfer of momentum just like work is transfer of mechanical energy.
 
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Ibix said:
When you need the momentum change but don't know the details of the force. For example, consider a collision between non-rigid bodies. The force depends on the current deformation, so is strongly time dependent and it's difficult to work with. But if we just want to know their velocities after the collision we can just conserve momentum and energy, and the change in momentum is the impulse.
Its nothing but ##\Delta p## and that is used to find u,v,m. So, ##F\Delta t## is useless on its own.
 
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rudransh verma said:
Why do we keep introducing new quantities?
Why are you so resistant in learning new things? For the same reason we use any quantity - it helps us solve problems. If you do everything the old hard way and don't learn new things, you will continue to do things the hard way.
 
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rudransh verma said:
Its nothing but ##\Delta p## and that is used to find u,v,m. So, ##F\Delta t## is useless on its own.
So... ##\Delta p## is used for something but is useless, according to you?
 
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Due to some repeated rules violations, the OP is on a 10-day vacation from PF. Thank you everybody for your help trying to answer the OP's questions.
 
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