Defining the Cup Product in Cubular Homology Theory

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The discussion revolves around defining the cup product in cubular homology theory, with participants exploring its relationship to simplicial homology and the Eilenberg-Zilber theorem. The scope includes theoretical aspects of algebraic topology and cohomology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on the definition of cubular homology and its cup product, suggesting it may relate to the Massey product.
  • There is a discussion on the similarities between the cup product in simplicial and cubical homology, with one participant noting that the cup product for simplices involves multiplying values on front and back faces of the simplex.
  • Participants mention the Eilenberg-Zilber theorem, which indicates a chain homotopy equivalence between the chain complexes of the product of spaces and the tensor product of their chain complexes.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the diagonal approximation in cubical homology and requests an explicit formulation, indicating it may differ from the simplicial case.
  • Another participant suggests that the diagonal approximation is conceptually similar but may require specific details that are found in Massey's book on algebraic topology.
  • There is a proposal to derive the explicit Eilenberg-Zilber map for cubical homology, with acknowledgment that it may not be straightforward to articulate without intermediaries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and relationships between concepts in cubular and simplicial homology. There is no consensus on the explicit formulation of the diagonal approximation or the cup product in cubular homology.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential complexity of defining the cup product in cubular homology and the need for intermediary steps in the Eilenberg-Zilber map, which may not be straightforward to articulate. References to specific literature, such as Massey's book, are made for further details.

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I would like to know how to define the cup product in cubular homology theory.
 
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Do you mean the Massey product? Please define cubular.
 
jim mcnamara said:
Do you mean the Massey product? Please define cubular.

Cubular homology is where you use cubes instead of simplexes.
 
How do you define the cup product in simplicial homology? Did you mean cohomology? If so, then the cup product is defined pretty much the same way. Perhaps you can show us your definitions and explain what you're having trouble adapting.
 
morphism said:
How do you define the cup product in simplicial homology? Did you mean cohomology? If so, then the cup product is defined pretty much the same way. Perhaps you can show us your definitions and explain what you're having trouble adapting.

I see why I've been confusing. I meant cohomology. Sorry.

For simplices two cochains cup by multiplying their values on front and back faces of the simplex. a cup b (simplex) = a(front face).b(back face) where the face splitting is according to the degree of a and b.

For cubes I imagine it would be similar but am not sure. A cube can be thought of a having front and back faces but that may be just an analogy.

Generally speaking, you want a "diagonal approximation" from C(x) -> C(x) tensor C(x) . For simplices this is called the Alexander diagonal approximation.
 
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You still have that in cubical homology. In fact, you have the Eilenberg-Zilber theorem, which tells you that for any topological spaces X and Y there is a chain homotopy equivalence C_\ast(X\times Y) \to C_\ast(X)\otimes C_\ast(Y).
 
morphism said:
You still have that in cubical homology. In fact, you have the Eilenberg-Zilber theorem, which tells you that for any topological spaces X and Y there is a chain homotopy equivalence C_\ast(X\times Y) \to C_\ast(X)\otimes C_\ast(Y).

right. But what is the diagonal approximation?
 
I don't really understand your question. The diagonal approximation is the same.

The diagonal map \Delta : X \to X \times X induces a map C_\ast(X) \to C(X \times X) which we can then compose with the Eilenberg-Zilber map given above to get a map C_\ast(X) \to C_\ast(X) \otimes C_\ast(X).

If you want all the details, then check out chapter XIII in Massey's book "A Basic Course in Algebraic Topology" (Springer GTM127), where the cup product is defined. (Incidentally, Massey's book is the only place I've seen the cubical approach to singular (co)homology. Is Massey the guy who invented this?)
 
morphism said:
I don't really understand your question. The diagonal approximation is the same.

The diagonal map \Delta : X \to X \times X induces a map C_\ast(X) \to C(X \times X) which we can then compose with the Eilenberg-Zilber map given above to get a map C_\ast(X) \to C_\ast(X) \otimes C_\ast(X).

If you want all the details, then check out chapter XIII in Massey's book "A Basic Course in Algebraic Topology" (Springer GTM127), where the cup product is defined. (Incidentally, Massey's book is the only place I've seen the cubical approach to singular (co)homology. Is Massey the guy who invented this?)

so take the example of a single 5 dimensional cube. What is the diagonal approximation? Can you write it out? It can not be the same as the simplicial approximation.
 
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Ah, I see what you're asking. You basically want the explicit Eilenberg-Zilber map for cubical homology. This isn't the most straightforward thing to write down, as you need a few intermediaries. But like I said, all the details are found in Massey. If you really need this stuff and can't get your hands on a copy, I can probably write it all out for you later.
 
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morphism said:
Ah, I see what you're asking. You basically want the explicit Eilenberg-Zilber map for cubical homology. This isn't the most straightforward thing to write down, as you need a few intermediaries. But like I said, all the details are found in Massey. If you really need this stuff and can't get your hands on a copy, I can probably write it all out for you later.

You are right. I should just try to derive it myself rather than asking. Will do.
 

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