Definite integral as Riemann sums

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral ##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx## using left Riemann sums. Participants are exploring the application of Riemann sums to approximate the integral and are encountering difficulties with the summation of terms involving square roots.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to set up the Riemann sum by calculating ##\frac{b-a}{n}## and expressing the integral in terms of a limit of sums. There are questions about the correctness of the terms in the sums and the nature of the series involved.

Discussion Status

Multiple participants are engaged in clarifying the setup of the sums and addressing potential errors in the expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the complexity of summing the series, with suggestions to consider approximations instead of exact sums. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the terms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the feasibility of calculating the sum of the infinite radical series, with some expressing uncertainty about the limits and the terms included in the sums. There is a recognition that the problem may not align with typical calculus exercises.

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Homework Statement



Determine ##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx## using left riemann sums

Homework Equations



##\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}(\frac{b-a}{n})f(x_i)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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##\frac{b-a}{n}=\frac{2-0}{n}=\frac{2}{n}##
##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n}(0+ \frac{\sqrt{2}}{n}+\frac{\sqrt{4}}{n}+...) =\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n} \frac{\sqrt{2}}{n}(\sqrt{0} + \sqrt{1}+\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}+...) ##

I'm stuck now. Please help. I don't know how to get the sums of the infinite radical series
 
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terryds said:

Homework Statement



Determine ##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx## using left riemann sums

Homework Equations



##\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}(\frac{b-a}{n})f(x_i)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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##\frac{b-a}{n}=\frac{2-0}{n}=\frac{2}{n}##
##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n}(0+ \frac{\sqrt{2}}{n}+\frac{\sqrt{4}}{n}+...) =\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n} \frac{\sqrt{2}}{\color{red}n}(\sqrt{0} + \sqrt{1}+\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}+...) ##

I'm stuck now. Please help. I don't know how to get the sums of the infinite radical series

I think you may want a square root on that ##n## I colored red. But to answer your question, that is not a trivial sum to calculate, and I wouldn't expect to see this problem in a typical calculus exercise set. See, for example,
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1241864/sum-of-square-roots-formula
 
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terryds said:

Homework Statement



Determine ##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx## using left riemann sums

Homework Equations



##\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}(\frac{b-a}{n})f(x_i)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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##\frac{b-a}{n}=\frac{2-0}{n}=\frac{2}{n}##
##\int_{0}^{2}\sqrt{x}dx = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n}(0+ \frac{\sqrt{2}}{n}+\frac{\sqrt{4}}{n}+...) =\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{2}{n} \frac{\sqrt{2}}{n}(\sqrt{0} + \sqrt{1}+\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}+...) ##
The sums in the last two expressions above do not have an infinite number of terms. What's the last term in each sum?
terryds said:
I'm stuck now. Please help. I don't know how to get the sums of the infinite radical series
 
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Mark44 said:
The sums in the last two expressions above do not have an infinite number of terms. What's the last term in each sum?
LCKurtz said:
I think you may want a square root on that ##n## I colored red. But to answer your question, that is not a trivial sum to calculate, and I wouldn't expect to see this problem in a typical calculus exercise set. See, for example,
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1241864/sum-of-square-roots-formula

##\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty }\frac{2}{n}\sqrt{\frac{2}{n}}(\sqrt{0} + \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{\frac{2}{n}}(n-1)))##

Alright, I've fixed my mistakes. And, I'm still confused how to get the sum of that series
 
terryds said:
##\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty }\frac{2}{n}\sqrt{\frac{2}{n}}(\sqrt{0} + \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{\frac{2}{n}}(n-1)))##

Alright, I've fixed my mistakes. And, I'm still confused how to get the sum of that series

You should go back and read post #2, which explains why you probably cannot sum the series, no matter how hard you try. Of course, you may be able to find good approximations to the sum, but that is not the same as finding an exact value.
 
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Doing the sum is overkill for finding the limit.
I think you have an error I think you should have
$$\int_0^2 \! \sqrt{n} \, \mathrm{d}x=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} {\left( \frac{n}{2} \right)}^{-3/2}\sum_{i=1}^n \sqrt{n}$$
Instead of finding the sum we will make a few observations that suffice
we can replace the sum in the limit by a simple expression
$$\sum_{i=1}^n \sqrt{n}\sim {C} {\sqrt{n}}^3$$
The exponent is the only one that allows the limit to converge to a nonzero value
we find C by computing the limit
$$C=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{{\sqrt{n}}}{{\sqrt{n+1}}^3-{\sqrt{n}}^3}$$
because we must have
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \sqrt{n}-\sum_{i=1}^n \sqrt{n}\sim {\sqrt{n}}$$
 

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