Definite integral from 0 to 1 of : ln(x)ln(1-x)dx

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The discussion centers around the evaluation of the definite integral from 0 to 1 of ln(x)ln(1-x)dx. Participants explore various methods and approaches to tackle this integral, which appears to be complex and resistant to traditional techniques. The conversation includes theoretical reasoning, mathematical manipulation, and references to related concepts.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in approaching the integral and seeks assistance, noting that traditional methods have not been effective.
  • Another participant provides a conjectured result for the integral, suggesting it equals 2 - π²/6, and connects it to the Basel problem and the dilogarithm function.
  • A different participant presents a limit approach to the integral, integrating by parts and relating the result to the Riemann zeta function.
  • Another contribution involves a detailed integration by parts technique, leading to a limit evaluation and the use of the dilogarithm value at 1.
  • One participant proposes using a series expansion for ln(1-x) to express the integral in terms of a sum, suggesting that this approach could yield the same result involving the zeta function.
  • A later reply encourages exploring a related integral involving the Dirichlet eta function, hinting at connections to solid state physics.

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Participants present multiple competing views and methods for evaluating the integral, with no consensus reached on a single approach or solution. The discussion remains unresolved with various techniques being proposed.

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Some methods rely on limits and series expansions, while others invoke special functions like the dilogarithm and the Riemann zeta function. The discussion highlights the complexity of the integral and the dependence on specific mathematical manipulations.

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I would really like to post the work I did, but it is gibberish !
I don't know how to tackle this integral :
definite integral from 0 to 1 of : ln(x)ln(1-x)dx

The "traditionnal" methods don't work but I assure you that I have tried much more !

Please help
 
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That integral is, on cursorary examination, sort of nasty

http://www.hostsrv.com/webmab/app1/MSP/quickmath/02/pageGenerate?site=quickmath&s1=calculus&s2=integrate&s3=advanced told me that

\int_{0}^{1}\log x\log (1-x) \, dx=2-\frac{\pi ^2}{6}

so I expect some quick manipulation to produce the Basel problem (proving that \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k^2}=\frac{\pi ^2}{6},) a computer also told me that

\int\log x\log (1-x) \, dx = (x\log x-x)\log (1-x)-x\log x+2x+\mbox{Li}_2 (x)+\log (-1+x)

where \mbox{Li}_2 (x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^k}{k^2} is the dilogarithm. The dilog gets us to the Basel problem since \mbox{Li}_2 (1)=\frac{\pi^2}{6} and hey, there's even a handy formula for the dilog, namely

\mbox{Li}_2 (t)=-\int_{0}^{t}\frac{\log (1-x)}{x}dx

and I'd conjecture that you can pull this off with integration by parts...

-Ben
 
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We have
I = \int_0^1 \ln x \ln (1-x) dx = \lim_{a\rightarrow 1} \int_0^a \ln x \ln (1-x) dx.

Integrating by part

I= \lim_{a \rightarrow 1}( - \ln (1-a) + \int_0^a \frac{x \ln x}{1-x} - \int_0^a \frac{x}{1-x}).

By performing such a limit we have

I= 2 + \int_0^1 \frac{\ln x}{1-x} dx.

Now from the substitution x = e^{-u} and by remembering the integral expression for the \zeta function:

\zeta(s)= \frac{1}{\Gamma (s)} \int_0^\infty \frac{x^{s-1}}{e^x -1 } d x

we get

I= 2 - \zeta (2) = 2 - \frac{\pi^2}{6}.
 
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in \int_{0}^{1}\log x\log (1-x) \, dx do integration by parts with u=\log x so that du=\frac{dx}{x} and dv=\log (1-x) dx so that v=(1-x)\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right) to get

\int_{0}^{1}\log x\log (1-x) \, dx = \left[ (1-x)\log x\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right) \right]_{x=0}^{1}- \int_{0}^{1}(1-x)\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right)\frac{dx}{x}
=\left[ (1-x)\log x\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right) \right]_{x=0}^{1}- \int_{0}^{1}\left[ \frac{1}{x}-1-\frac{\log (1-x)}{x}+\log (1-x) \right] \, dx
=\left[ (1-x)\log x\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right) -\log x +x -(1-x)\left( 1-\log (1-x)\right) \right]_{x=0}^{1}-\mbox{Li}_2 (1)

now it is a matter of taking limits at x=0 and at x=1 and putting in the value \mbox{Li}_2(1)=\frac{\pi^2}{6}
 
I=\lim_{b\rightarrow 1,a\rightarrow 0}\int_{a}^{b}\ln x\ln \left( 1-x\right) dx=...?

One knows that

\ln \left( 1-x\right) =-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{x^{k}}{k}.

for x smaller than 1. So

I=\lim_{b\rightarrow 1,a\rightarrow 0}\int_{b}^{a}\ln x\left( \sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{x^{k}}{k}\right) dx=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{1}{k}\left(\lim_{b\rightarrow 1,a\rightarrow 0}\int_{b}^{a}x^{k}\ln xdx\right) =...=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{1}{k\left( k+1\right) ^{2}}.

To evaluate the last sum, use that

1=k+1-k

and the definition of the Riemann zeta function. U'll easily get 2-\zeta(2) you were supposed to get.

Daniel.

P.S. Don't worry about pulling sum out of the integral sign and passing sum symbol over the limit sign. It usually works.
 
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To get a better grip of what i did, try to show that

\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x}{e^{x}+1} \ dx =\eta(2) =\frac{\pi^{2}}{12}

, where \eta is Dirichlet's eta function.

Use the integral above to compute the integrals on page 154 from Ch.Kittel's "Introduction to Solid State Physics", 7-th edition.

Daniel.
 
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