Definite vs. indefinite integrals for ei and erf

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of notation in the context of definite and indefinite integrals, specifically concerning the exponential integral (ei) and the error function (erf). Participants explore how to handle derivatives and integrals when the variable is treated as a function argument, and the implications of this notation on the definitions of these special functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how to interpret the notation of taking the derivative of u when it is a function argument, and how to integrate with respect to x without resulting in x in the answer.
  • One participant suggests that u' can be interpreted as du/dx, where erf is a function of u, and u is a function of x.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that u is not a function, proposing that if u is assumed to be a function, the calculus substitution rule can be applied.
  • There is mention of the potential abuse of notation regarding the distinction between definite and indefinite integrals in the context of the exponential integral.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the notation and its implications, particularly regarding the treatment of u as both an argument and a variable.

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Participants express differing views on whether u should be considered a function or merely an argument, leading to a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the notation and its implications for the integrals discussed.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of u, the definitions of the integrals, and the potential confusion arising from the notation used in the context of definite versus indefinite integrals.

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From a paper I've been reading:
This class includes, in addition to the elementary functions, a number of well-known special functions such as the exponential integral
[tex]\text{ei}(u)=\int\frac{u'}{u}e^u\,dx[/tex]
and the error function*
[tex]\text{erf}(u)=\int u'e^{u^2}\,dx[/tex]


* The usual error function, [itex]\text{Erf}(x)=\int_0^x\exp(-t^2)\,dt[/itex] [Bate53], differs from our definition, which is denoted as Erfi in [Bate53], as follows: [itex]\text{Erf}(x)=1/i\text{Erfi}(ix).[/itex] Also see the Appendix.
I wanted to know how to interpret the notation. What does it mean to take the derivative of u when it is a function argument? How do I take the integral wrt x of a seemingly-constant expression and not end up with x in the answer? Generally, how are these functions (typically defined with definite integrals) defined with indefinite integrals? (Or is this just a trick of notation?)

I'd be happy to post more of the paper if it would help. I'm actually recopying it at the moment, so it wouldn't be too hard.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
I wanted to know how to interpret the notation. What does it mean to take the derivative of u when it is a function argument? How do I take the integral wrt x of a seemingly-constant expression and not end up with x in the answer? Generally, how are these functions (typically defined with definite integrals) defined with indefinite integrals? (Or is this just a trick of notation?)

Hi CRGreathouse! :smile:

Isn't u' just du/dx, where erf is a function of u, and u is a function of x?

So eg if u(x) = ix, then u' = i and erf(u) = ∫ie-x2dx
 
tiny-tim said:
Isn't u' just du/dx, where erf is a function of u, and u is a function of x?

But u isn't a function! It's just the argument of the function.
 
CRGreathouse said:
But u isn't a function! It's just the argument of the function.
Who says it's not a function? Assume it is, and apply the freshman calculus substitution rule. Using informal notation, [itex]u'dx = du[/itex] and thus

[tex]\int \frac{u(x)'}{u(x)}e^{u(x)}\,dx = \int \frac{e^{u(x)}}{u(x)} u'(x)dx = \int \frac{e^u}{u} du = Ei(u)[/tex]

The last is a bit of abuse of notation as the exponential integral is a definite integral, not an indefinite integral.

You've been doing math so long you forgot the basics!
 
Thanks, DH. Between the bound-unbound abuse of notation (u as argument and running variable) and the indef/def abuse of notation I wasn't sure how to interpret it!
 

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