Definition of a derivative - absolute value

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the derivative of the function \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} \) and the conditions under which it is defined, particularly focusing on the requirement that \( x > 0 \). Participants explore the implications of this restriction and clarify misunderstandings regarding the function's domain.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the derivative of \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} \) using the limit definition and questions why \( x \) must be greater than zero.
  • Another participant confirms that \( x \) must be greater than zero for the function \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} \) to be defined.
  • There is a discussion about whether values of \( x \le 0 \) can be considered undefined, with some participants questioning the clarity of the phrasing used to describe the function's domain.
  • Participants express confusion over the notion of a function being undefined at certain values and the implications of that for the derivative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the function \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} \) is only defined for \( x > 0 \). However, there is some disagreement regarding the clarity of the language used to describe the function's domain and the implications of being undefined.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of a function being undefined at certain values and how that relates to the derivative. There are unresolved questions about the clarity of the definitions and statements made during the discussion.

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$$\d{}{x}\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}$$ by the definition of the derivative.

$$\lim_{{h}\to{0}}\frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{x+h}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}}{h}=\lim_{{h}\to{0}}\frac{\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x+h}}{h\sqrt{x^2+2xh}}=\lim_{{h}\to{0}}\frac{x-(x+h)}{h\sqrt{x^2+2xh}\left(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x+h}\right)}$$

Setting $h=0$:

$$=\frac{-1}{2\sqrt{x^2}(\sqrt{x})}$$

Question is why do we assume $x>0$?

EDIT: Wait. dumb question, $x$ is only defined for $x>0$ (Headbang)
 
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Rido12 said:
EDIT: Wait. dumb question, $x$ is only defined for $x>0$ (Headbang)

$x$? Or $$\frac 1{\sqrt x}$$? :rolleyes:
 
The latter. But I meant, the value of $x$ in the latter is defined only for $x>0$.
 
Rido12 said:
The latter. But I meant, the value of $x$ in the latter is defined only for $x>0$.

Hmm. Since $\frac{1}{\sqrt{-1}}$ is not defined in the real numbers, does that mean that $-1$ is not defined? (Thinking)
 
What I said: "The value of $x$ in the function is undefined." What I meant to say: "The function is undefined when it takes on the value of $x\le 0$." (Tmi)
 
Rido12 said:
What I said: "The value of $x$ in the function is undefined." What I meant to say: "The function is undefined when it takes on the value of $x\le 0$." (Tmi)

Hold on... (Wondering)
... if the function takes on a value (apparently $\le 0$), how can it be undefined? (Devil)
 
I like Serena said:
Hold on... (Wondering)
... if the function takes on a value (apparently $\le 0$), how can it be undefined? (Devil)

Because our original function is $\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}$, where the function is only defined for values of $x>0$.
If the problem is because of the clarity of my phrase, I give up. (Doh)
 
Rido12 said:
Because our original function is $\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}$, where the function is only defined for values of $x>0$.
If the problem is because of the clarity of my phrase, I give up. (Doh)

You finally got it right!
Good! (Whew)
 

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