Definition of Eo (Coulomb's law)

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The discussion revolves around the definition and role of the constant epsilon naught (ε₀) in Coulomb's law and its relationship with the 4π factor. Participants explore the implications of these constants in different unit systems and their foundational definitions in electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the 4π factor is included in Coulomb's law instead of being incorporated into the definition of ε₀.
  • Another participant explains that in differential form, the equation involves ε₀ as a polarization coefficient for vacuum and that applying Gauss's theorem introduces the 1/4π term.
  • A different viewpoint notes that the placement of 4π and ε₀ is contingent on the use of SI units, contrasting it with Gaussian cgs units where ε₀ equals 1.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the form of ε₀ is a consequence of the historical definitions of other constants, particularly μ₀, and their interdependence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and placement of the 4π factor in relation to ε₀, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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The discussion highlights the dependence of the constants on the choice of unit systems and the historical context of their definitions, which may not be fully resolved in the conversation.

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F=\frac{q1q2}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}

If epsilon 0 was defined as the proportionality constant for this equation, why was 4 pi not included in Eo? Why does there have to be a 4pi in the equation, instead of just having Eo equal its current value times 4pi?
 
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Because in differential form, the equation is written as:

\nabla \cdot E = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}

If you apply Gauss Theorem to it, you get the 1/4pi term.

More fundamentally, it's because epsilon works as polarization coefficient for vacuum.

It also works neatly with the wave equation. \epsilon_0\mu_0 = \frac{1}{c^2}
 
The 4\pi and the \epsilon_0 appear where they do because the equations assume SI units. In other systems of units, they appear in different places, or not at all. For example, in Gaussian cgs units, \epsilon_0 = 1 and we have

F = \frac {q_1 q_2}{r^2}

\nabla \cdot E = 4 \pi \rho

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_units
 
Epsilon 0 has that silly form because it came to the party last and Mu 0 got in first.:smile:

The Ampere was defined in terms of the force between two parallel conductors one meter apart. The force is caused by the magnetic field, which as you know is circular around the wire.
That's where the 4 pi came from (actually it's 2 *2 pi because there are two wires)

The clincher is the fact that Epsilon 0 * Mu 0 = 1/c2

Once Mu has that pi in it, Epsilon has no choice.

If Epsilon had got in first, Mu 0 would be stuck with the pi instead.
 

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