Definition of The Biological Sexes

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The discussion centers on the biological definitions of male and female, exploring whether these definitions differ between humans and other animals, and how they relate to concepts of gender in the medical field. The scope includes biological definitions, medical interpretations, and the implications of these definitions across different species.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that males are defined as organisms that produce mobile gametes, while females produce non-mobile gametes, a definition applicable to various organisms, including plants.
  • Others argue that the medical field aligns with this biological definition but also incorporates gender as a psychosocial construct, which can differ from biological sex.
  • A participant questions the rigidity of the definitions, asking if there are females whose eggs find sperm and whether they would still be classified as females if they did.
  • Another participant emphasizes that female gametes are non-motile and primarily provide nutrients for development post-fertilization, while acknowledging that fertilization methods can vary across species.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology, with a participant noting that if a gamete were mobile, it would not be referred to as an egg, but rather as sperm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of male and female, particularly regarding the implications of mobility of gametes and the relationship between biological sex and gender. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions underlying the definitions of male and female, as well as the implications of gender in medical contexts. The definitions may depend on specific biological contexts and interpretations.

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What are the formal biological definitions of male and female? Are they different for humans than for other animals? Does the medical field use different definitions than the biological community?
 
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The biological definition of the two sexes is that males are the organisms that produce the mobile gametes, while females produce the non-mobile gametes. The same definition can then be applied to any organism with two distinct gametes, not just animals. Even in plants, the male plant (or male part of the plant) produces the pollen that is mobile (sometimes because of a carrier) that gets transferred to the female plant (or female part of the plant).

The medical field defines the two sexes the same way, but then also uses the terms male and female to refer to gender, which is not the same as sex. Gender is more of a psychosocial construct. So, for example, someone who is biologically of the male sex may have an operation, take hormones, or wear clothing to take on the outward physical characteristics of a female, and may wish to be referred to as female gendered.
 
Moonbear said:
The biological definition of the two sexes is that males are the organisms that produce the mobile gametes, while females produce the non-mobile gametes.

That's what I thought, thanks...although I thought gender was a concept only employed in sociology, psychology, anthropology, etc.
 
darkchild said:
That's what I thought, thanks...although I thought gender was a concept only employed in sociology, psychology, anthropology, etc.

The "etc." is the important part. Medicine does involve a good deal of sociology and psychology. :wink:
 
The biological definition of the two sexes is that males are the organisms that produce the mobile gametes, while females produce the non-mobile gametes.
So there's no females of any species whose eggs find the sperm? If they did, would they be considered males, even though they produced eggs?
 
leroyjenkens said:
So there's no females of any species whose eggs find the sperm? If they did, would they be considered males, even though they produced eggs?

Can you think of any? They don't not exist... AFAIK. Female gametes are non-motile and they contain mostly nutrients responsible for the development of the organism once the ovas been fertilized by a male gamete. However the act of fertilization happens in numerous ways this basic rule is always the same. (Ie. in fish they deposit the ova and they will be fertilized outside of the body)
 
leroyjenkens said:
So there's no females of any species whose eggs find the sperm? If they did, would they be considered males, even though they produced eggs?

If they were the mobile gamete, they wouldn't be called an egg, they'd be called the sperm. :wink: Sperm are the mobile gamete with the flagella that help them swim over to the egg.
 

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