Deflection and stress in a frame's vertical member

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The discussion centers on determining the peak stress and deflection of a vertical member in a simple steel frame, focusing on the effects of buckling and bending moments due to external forces. Participants explore theoretical aspects related to stress calculations and deflection behavior under various loading conditions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the peak stress in the vertical member as a function of external forces (F1, F2), dimensions (x, y), and moment of area (I), questioning the impact of bending moments on stress.
  • Another participant suggests that the peak bending moment is constant along the vertical member, with stress varying primarily at the joints, and proposes a method for calculating compressive and bending stresses.
  • A later reply asserts that the vertical member will not experience Euler buckling due to the offset load causing deflection, regardless of the load magnitude.
  • Another participant challenges this assertion, stating that the potential for buckling depends on the relative axial and bending stiffness of the member, indicating that compressive loads can affect bending stiffness and lateral displacement.
  • A subsequent response questions the nature of buckling, suggesting that while small loads may lead to significant deflection, it does not exhibit a distinct buckling point as defined by Euler's theory, instead suggesting a nonlinear elastic behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which buckling occurs and the relationship between axial and bending stiffness. There is no consensus on the impact of these factors on the deflection and stress of the vertical member.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of additional details regarding the joints and the relative stiffness of the vertical member, which may influence the analysis but remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Please refer to the diagram attached.

I am trying to work out the peak stress and deflection of a vertical member in a simple steel frame.

I know that the vertical member will be subjected to a buckling stress, but I'm unsure as to whether the moment about O caused by the cantilevered forces F1 and F2 will result in an additional bending stress in the vertical member.

What is the peak stress in the vertical member (as a function of F1, F2, x, y and it's moment of area I)?

What is the peak deflection? Does it occur at the top of the vertical member due to a bending moment or is it near the center due to the first buckling mode?

Thanks in advance.
 

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parsec said:
What is the peak stress in the vertical member (as a function of F1, F2, x, y and it's moment of area I)?
The peak bending moment will be all along the vertical member. So the stress along that member will be constant except at the joints, where you can't really have any clue what the stress might be without more details there.

To find the stresses in the vertical member, find the compressive stress due to the vertical forces as if they were acting axially ( (F1+F2) / area ). Then find the stresses due to the bending moment (M = F1 * x/2 + F2 * x). Add/subtract them on the inner/outer surfaces.

What is the peak deflection? Does it occur at the top of the vertical member due to a bending moment or is it near the center due to the first buckling mode?
At the top. It won't buckle, at least not Euler buckling. That's because the offset load will cause it to deflect no matter how small the load, so it never gets the chance to reach an instability point.
 
Unrest said:
It won't buckle, at least not Euler buckling. That's because the offset load will cause it to deflect no matter how small the load, so it never gets the chance to reach an instability point.

That is not necessarily true. If depends on the relative axial and bending stiffness of the vertical member.

In any case, the compressive load will reduce the bending stiffness and increase the lateral displacement even if it doesn't buckle. Look up the theory of beam-columns for the details.
 
AlephZero said:
That is not necessarily true. If depends on the relative axial and bending stiffness of the vertical member.
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How? Sure if x is very small compared to the height, you may get something that looks like buckling because a small increase in load causes a large increase in deflection, but it won't have a discreet point at which it starts, like Euler buckling has. It'll just be general nonlinear elastic bahaviour.
 

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