Degrees of freedom of diatomic gas

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The discussion revolves around the degrees of freedom of diatomic gas molecules, particularly in the context of the equipartition theorem at high temperatures. Participants explore the implications of translational, rotational, and vibrational modes being activated and how these contribute to the average energy of the gas molecules.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that diatomic gas molecules have 6 degrees of freedom: 3 translational, 2 rotational, and 1 vibrational along the bond between the atoms.
  • Others argue for an additional degree of freedom, suggesting that motion along the bond should also be considered, leading to a total of 7 degrees of freedom.
  • A participant questions how motion along the bond differs from translational motion or vibration, noting that rotation about the bond axis does not contribute significantly due to negligible moment of inertia.
  • There is a discussion about how vibration may count as two degrees of freedom in the context of the equipartition theorem, as it involves energy contributions from both momentum and position.
  • Some participants clarify that whether a diatomic molecule has 6 or 7 degrees of freedom depends on the interpretation of vibrational modes and their associated energy contributions.
  • It is noted that the equipartition theorem relates to degrees of freedom in phase space rather than configuration space, which may not be consistently addressed in the literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the total number of degrees of freedom for diatomic gas molecules, with competing views on whether to count vibration as one or two degrees of freedom. The discussion remains unresolved as no consensus is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential inconsistency in how degrees of freedom are treated in various sources, particularly regarding the energy contributions of vibrational modes.

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So I'm trying to figure out the average energy of diatomic gas molecules via the equipartition theorem at high temperature (such that it's translational , rotational and vibrational modes are activated)

and to do that I need to know the degree of freedom.

some websites claim it would be 6 , 3d translational motion , 2 rotational axis and 1 vibration along the bond between the atoms.

however, some sources state that they are actually one more: the motion/velocity along the bond.

so I'm now a bit confused which version is correct. I'm inclined towards the latter as I think only by including that d.o.f. can I fully describe the configuration of the gas molecules. I would think of the original 3 translational d.o.f. as the motion of the centre of mass only, which is why we need one more to describe the motion along the bond.
 
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A system of two particles can never have more than six degrees of freedom! You can always describe the system using three spatial coordinates for each particle. The only question is whether or not there are additional constraints which lower the number of degrees of freedom.
 
throneoo said:
So I'm trying to figure out the average energy of diatomic gas molecules via the equipartition theorem at high temperature (such that it's translational , rotational and vibrational modes are activated)

and to do that I need to know the degree of freedom.

some websites claim it would be 6 , 3d translational motion , 2 rotational axis and 1 vibration along the bond between the atoms.

however, some sources state that they are actually one more: the motion/velocity along the bond.

so I'm now a bit confused which version is correct. I'm inclined towards the latter as I think only by including that d.o.f. can I fully describe the configuration of the gas molecules. I would think of the original 3 translational d.o.f. as the motion of the centre of mass only, which is why we need one more to describe the motion along the bond.
How would motion/velocity along the bond differ from translational motion or vibration? The rotation about the axis along the bond does not count as there is no significant moment of inertia (the mass being concentrated in the nuclei which have negligible dimension compared to distance between nuclei).

AM
 
The point is that the vibration counts as two degrees of freedom as far as the equipartition theorem is concerned, in the sense that the energy stored in the vibration is kT and not kT/2 as for the rotational and vibrational degrees of freedom. E.g. for a translation, the energy depends quadratically on momentum p. However in a vibration, the energy depends quadratically on both p and x, hence the doubling.
 
DrDu said:
The point is that the vibration counts as two degrees of freedom as far as the equipartition theorem is concerned, in the sense that the energy stored in the vibration is kT and not kT/2 as for the rotational and vibrational degrees of freedom. E.g. for a translation, the energy depends quadratically on momentum p. However in a vibration, the energy depends quadratically on both p and x, hence the doubling.
Ok. I see what you are getting at. Whether a diatomic molecule has 6 or 7 degrees of freedom depends on whether you consider the vibrational mode to have one or two degrees of freedom. Vibration is the only mode that has potential energy associated with it. I would say it has one degree of freedom but two types of energy associated with vibration for purposes of the equipartition theorem (i.e. N=7 for purposes of the equipartion theorem when all modes are activated).

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Vibration is the only mode that has potential energy associated with it. I would say it has one degree of freedom but two types of energy associated with vibration for purposes of the equipartition theorem (i.e. N=7 for purposes of the equipartion theorem when all modes are activated).

The equipartition theorem relates to the number of (relevant) degrees of freedom in phase space, not configuration space.
 
Orodruin said:
The equipartition theorem relates to the number of (relevant) degrees of freedom in phase space, not configuration space.
That's the problem, I don't think this is handled consistently in the literature.
 

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