Undergrad Defining Del in Index Notation: Which Approach is Appropriate?

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The discussion centers on the appropriate definition of the del operator in index notation, debating between two forms: ∇ ≡ ∂_i()e_i and ∇ ≡ e_i∂_i(). It is argued that these definitions are not generally equivalent, with examples illustrating discrepancies in their application. The second definition is favored, particularly in the context of orthogonal coordinates where the metric coefficients can vary with position. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding how these definitions interact with vector fields and coordinate systems. Ultimately, the choice of definition impacts the interpretation and calculation of vector operations in different coordinate systems.
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Hi PF!

Which way is appropriate for defining del in index notation: ##\nabla \equiv \partial_i()\vec{e_i}## or ##\nabla \equiv \vec{e_i}\partial_i()##. The two cannot be generally equivalent. Quick example.

Let ##\vec{v}## and ##\vec{w}## be vectors. Then $$\nabla \vec{v} \cdot \vec{w} = \partial_i(v_j \vec{e_j})\vec{e_i} \cdot u_k \vec{e_k}\\ = \partial_i(v_j \vec{e_j}) u_i$$ yet using the other definition for del implies $$\nabla \vec{v} \cdot \vec{w} = \vec{e_i} \partial_i(v_j \vec{e_j}) \cdot u_k \vec{e_k}\\=\vec{e_i} v_ju_k (\partial_i(\vec{e_j}) \cdot \vec{e_k}) + \vec{e_i} u_j \partial_i(v_j)$$
 
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joshmccraney said:
Hi PF!

Which way is appropriate for defining del in index notation: ##\nabla \equiv \partial_i()\vec{e_i}## or ##\nabla \equiv \vec{e_i}\partial_i()##.

The second. In orthogonal coordinates \nabla = \sum_i \mathbf{e}_i h_i \partial _i and in non-cartesian coordinates h_i is generally a non-constant function of position.
 
pasmith said:
The second. In orthogonal coordinates \nabla = \sum_i \mathbf{e}_i h_i \partial _i and in non-cartesian coordinates h_i is generally a non-constant function of position.
So is ##h_i = |\partial_i \vec{r}|## where ##\vec{r}## is the position vector, expressed in cartesian coordinates as ##\vec{r} = x \hat{i} + y \hat{j} +z \hat{k}##?
 

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