Relativistic index notation del-operator

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The discussion revolves around the application of relativistic index notation, specifically concerning the del operator and its implications in the context of four-vectors in Minkowski spacetime. Participants explore the mathematical consistency of certain expressions and seek clarification on derivations related to four-vectors, particularly in relation to quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • Adam expresses confusion regarding the expression \(\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}\) and its expected value, suggesting it should equal 4 based on his understanding of vector calculus.
  • Some participants assert that Adam is not mistaken, indicating that in 4D flat spacetime, \(\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}\) should indeed equal 4.
  • Another participant clarifies that the summation convention implies \(\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu} = \partial_{0}x^{0} + \partial_{1}x^{1} + \partial_{2}x^{2} + \partial_{3}x^{3} = 4\), emphasizing the importance of the summation over indices.
  • Adam requests a derivation of the expression \(\partial^{\mu} x^{\nu} = g^{\mu \nu}\) and seeks resources for better understanding four-vectors and their applications in QFT.
  • A participant responds with a derivation involving the Kronecker delta, \(\partial_{\mu}x^{\nu} = \delta_{\mu}^{\nu}\), and offers to share a resource for practicing four-vectors and tensor calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that \(\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}\) should equal 4 in the context discussed. However, there is no consensus on the best resources for learning about four-vectors and their applications in QFT, as different participants have varying experiences and suggestions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that Adam's understanding of the notation may be influenced by his background, as he mentions not having an undergraduate class in special relativity, which could affect his grasp of the material.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in understanding relativistic index notation, four-vectors, and their applications in theoretical physics, particularly those preparing for or studying quantum field theory.

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Hi,

I've been wondering about this forever and I finally decided to ask on the forums. In relativistic index notation (with c= \hbar =1) with the minkowski metric g\mu\nu=diag(1,-1,-1,-1), the 4-vector x^{\mu}=(t,x,y,z)=(x^0,\vec{x}), and with the del operator defined as \partial_{\mu}\equiv \frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\mu}}=(\partial_{t},\nabla). I should have that:
\partial^{\mu} x_{\mu}=\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}=1
but this is inconsistent with the way I usually think of vector calc because I should have
\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}=\partial_{t}t+\nabla\bullet\vec{x}
and
\partial_{t}t=1
\nabla\bullet\vec{x}=3
so, with the way I normally think, I should have:
\partial_{\mu} x^{\mu}=4
Where am I going wrong here?

-Adam

P.S. all of this notation is straight out of Peskin and Schroeder's QFT text
 
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You are not going wrong at all. In 4D flat spacetime, it should be 4.
 
Hi arwright3! It's because there is an implied summation involved so \partial _{\mu }x^{\mu } = \partial _{0}x^{0} + \partial _{1}x^{1} + \partial _{2}x^{2} + \partial _{3}x^{3} = 4. Don't forget when you have an index on the top and the same index on the bottom there is an implied summation! Cheers!
 
Thanks for your help! One more quick question. Can someone derive this:
\partial^{\mu} x^{\nu}=g^{\mu \nu}?

P.S. I'm trying to pick up this 4-vector stuff on my own because I need it for QFT and I never had an undergrad class in special relativity. If anyone has a suggestion for a good resource I'd appreciate it. I've read a few pdfs that I found with various google searches, and I understand how the Lorentz transformations work and everything, but what I'd really like is something that explains what is and is not allowed when working with four-vectors. There are many derivations in my QFT book that are ~2 lines long and I don't know how to work out the intermediate steps. Most of these things have nothing to do with QFT, even the classical E&M field equations/lagrangian are hard for me to understand and work with in their index notation form.
 
\partial _{\mu }x^{\nu } = \delta _{\mu }^{\nu } so g^{\sigma \mu }\partial _{\mu }x^{\nu } = \partial ^{\sigma }x^{\nu } = g^{\sigma \mu }\delta _{\mu }^{\nu } = g^{\sigma \nu } and you can just relabel sigma to nu from there if you would like. I have a good book for you that gives you a ton of practice with 4 - vectors and Einstein summation and tensor calculus and all the other fun stuff which I will pm to you however I have never done QFT so I do not know the depth at which you need to know these things - I am basing it off of what I know from GR.
 
Thanks, that's very nice of you. and BTW I like your profile picture!

-Adam
 
arwright3 said:
Thanks, that's very nice of you. and BTW I like your profile picture!

-Adam
All hail the mighty zep =D
 

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