Delta-epsilon proof (book example)

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The discussion revolves around a delta-epsilon proof concerning the limit of the function \( \sqrt[3]{x} \) as \( x \) approaches 0. Participants are exploring the relationship between the chosen delta and epsilon values in the context of proving that the limit is indeed 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the connection between \( |x^{1/3}| \) and \( |x| \) in the context of the limit. There are questions about how to properly choose delta in relation to epsilon and how to express the relationship between these variables in the proof.

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Some participants are offering guidance on how to approach the proof, while others are questioning their understanding of the relationships between the variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to effectively choose delta based on the epsilon value.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a delta-epsilon proof framework, and there are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of epsilon and the implications of their choices for delta.

OrbitalPower
[itex]\lim_{x \to 0}[/itex] x^(1/3)

I know that [itex]\delta = {\epsilon}^3[/itex]

the book gives an example:

[itex]\lim_{x \to 2}[/itex] (3x - 2) = 4 and you chose [itex]\delta = \frac{\epsilon}{3}[/itex]
so

0 < |x-2| < [itex]\delta = \frac{\epsilon}{3}[/itex]

implies

|(3x - 2) - 4| = 3|x-2| < [itex]3 (\frac{\epsilon}{3}) = \epsilon[/itex]

so i should get something like:

[itex]| \sqrt[3]{x} - 0 | = | x - 0 | = \epsilon[/itex]

But I don't see how you make the connection between [itex]| \sqrt[3]{x} |[/itex] and (|x - 0|) < [itex]\delta[/itex] and I don't see how I can reduce [itex]{\epsilon}^3[/itex] to just epsilon using this style of proof.
 
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Think of it this way, start out with[tex]|x^{\frac{1}{3}}|[/tex] and try to get this to be [tex]\leq |x| < \delta[/tex] (we both know the limit is zero ;)). Your choice of [tex]\delta[/tex] seems to be correct. Now given that [tex]|x| < \delta[/tex] what is [tex]|x^{\frac{1}{3}}|[/tex] less than?

Good luck
 
You are suspecting that x1/3 converges to zero as x approaches 0. So how does one show that. First you pick an arbitrary e>0. Then you want to find an d>0 with the following property.
Whenever you take an x which differs from zero by at most d and plug this x into the function x1/3, you want to get something which differs from the proposed limit, 0, by at most e.

The question is how to choose that d, right?
You want |x1/3-0 |<d for all |x-0|<d. We can simplify this to
|x1/3|<e for all |x|<d, right?
Is the first equation not equivalent to |x|<e3? So, how small an x do you have to choose to make sure that this is certified. Well, certainly an x with |x|<e3, right? So what should d be then?:smile:
 
Thanks.

I thought we wanted |x^(1/3) - 0 | < e for all | x - 0| < d. I think I see where to go, though.
 

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