Density matrix for bell states

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of density matrices for various quantum states, specifically Bell states and their properties. Participants explore the differences between pure and mixed states, the structure of density matrices, and the implications of Schmidt coefficients in determining entanglement.

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  • One participant proposes density matrices for three states, suggesting that the first two are pure states and the third is mixed.
  • Another participant questions the dimensionality of the density matrices, asserting that they should be 4x4 due to the composite nature of the states.
  • A different participant clarifies that the density matrix for a composite system is obtained by the outer product of the state vector, resulting in a 4x4 matrix, while the reduced density matrix is 2x2 after tracing over one subsystem.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the third state being mixed, with references to Schmidt coefficients indicating a misunderstanding of entanglement properties.
  • A request for clarification on the difference between pure and mixed states is made, along with a desire for a simple example of density matrix calculation.
  • Another participant explains that a pure state can be a superposition of other pure states and describes the conditions under which a density matrix is considered mixed.
  • One participant emphasizes that the density matrix calculation involves considering all combinations of basis states, leading to a matrix with potentially many zero entries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the states and the appropriate dimensions of the density matrices. There is no consensus on the classification of the third state as mixed or pure, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Schmidt coefficients on entanglement.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on definitions and calculations related to density matrices, particularly in the context of entangled states and their representation in quantum mechanics. Some assumptions about the states and their properties remain unexamined.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in understanding density matrices, entanglement, and the properties of quantum states.

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Hi
I have three states (I believe bell states) and want to find the density matrix, am I right in thinking:
1) \frac{|00&gt; + |11&gt;}{\sqrt{2}} \rightarrow \rho = \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\<br /> \end{array} \right) (because it is pure)

2) \frac{|00&gt; - |11&gt;}{\sqrt{2}} \rightarrow \rho = \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\<br /> \end{array} \right) (because it is pure)

3) \frac{|01&gt; + |01&gt;}{\sqrt{2}} \rightarrow \rho = \left( \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} &amp; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \\<br /> \end{array} \right) (because it is mixed)
 
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Shouldn't the density matrix be 4x4? The first one should be something like

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

The others then analogously, but a 100% I am not certain, because looking at the Schmidt-coefficients, they are not all the same (2 are actually 0) as required for a maximally entangled state. Anyone can solve this issue?
 
You get the density matrix of the composite system by writing out ρ= |ψ><ψ| for your states. This is a 4x4 matrix.

If you want to get the reduced density matrix of one subsystem,you have to trace over the other system. You then get a 2x2 matrix.

PS: Why do you think that the third state is not pure? Every ket corresponds to a pure state. You seem to have some fundamental misunderstanding. You need to give more details about your calculations.
 
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spookyfw said:
[...] looking at the Schmidt-coefficients, they are not all the same (2 are actually 0) as required for a maximally entangled state.
You need only as many coefficents as the dimension of the Hilbert space of the smaller subsystem. Here, we have two 2-dimensional Hilbert spaces, so we need two coefficients.
 
Please could you describe the difference between a pure and a mixed state?
I am also unclear as to how to calculate the density matrix, could you give me a simple example, I can't see why \sum_i |\psi_i&gt;&lt;\psi_i| would give a 4x4 matrix.

Would you have to decompose |00&gt; into |0>|0> and then into,
(A|0> + B|1>)Tensor-product(C|0>+D|1>)? I am a bit confused
 
A pure state can be a linear combination of other pure states. This is the quantum mechanical superposition.

For a pure state |ψ> we simply chose this state |ψ> to construct the density matrix

ρ = |ψ><ψ|

As you can see you have ρ2 = ρ, so ρ is a projector (here we do not care whether there are other states, e.g. u and v, which can be combined via a linear superposition to get ψ).

A mixed state is always described via a density matrix which is not a projector.

For a mixed state, in a basis where the density matrix is diagonal, you have two or more states with non-vanishing probability. So for two orthogonal states contributing to a density matrix you have

ρ = p|u><u| + (1-p)|v><v|

Note that for a diagonal density matrix the trace of the probailities must be = 1.

Testing whether ρ is a projector you find

ρ2 = p2|u><u| + (1-p)2|v><v| ≠ ρ

The probabilities p and (1-p) in ρ are classical probabilities, not related to the quantum mechanical superpositions. So if you would construct ψ from u and v using quantum mechanical superpositions you get the pure state as described above.
 
Have you calculated \rho = |\psi&gt;&lt;\psi| = \frac{1}{2}(|00&gt; + |11&gt;)(&lt;00|+&lt;11|)? (First example from you)

ρ has 16 entries which are the coefficients in front of the 16 possible combinations |ij><kl|. Most of them are zero, but 4 are non-zero. If you arrange them in matrix form, you are done.

No decomposing of |ij> is required, because we are now dealing with the combined state space of two quibits. There are states which can't be decomposed and these are the entangled states.
 
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