Dependence of refractive index

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for the slower speed of light in glass compared to vacuum. Participants explore various explanations, including interactions at the atomic level, absorption and re-emission processes, and the implications of material properties on light propagation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why light slows down in glass compared to vacuum, seeking a deeper understanding.
  • Another participant asserts that the interaction between light and the atomic structure of glass involves the polarization of atoms and molecules, leading to a different propagation speed.
  • A participant mentions that the permittivity of the material can be derived from induced dipoles, affecting the speed of electromagnetic waves.
  • One explanation involves an analogy of walking through a forest, suggesting that obstacles (atoms) cause a zig-zag path, reducing the effective speed.
  • Another participant challenges the absorption-emission explanation, noting that visible light does not have allowed transitions in glass, yet light still travels slower than in air.
  • A further claim is made that if absorption and re-emission were the sole reasons for slower light, scattering would occur, and that the phenomenon should be understood at the bulk material level rather than just the atomic level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the slower speed of light in glass, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing models and hypotheses are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of light-matter interactions and the role of atomic transitions remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the limitations of simplified models.

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Why does light slow down in glass?Can anybody explain why speed of light is slow in glass than in vacuum?
 
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Every textbook about light can, Wikipedia can, and several other webpages can. There is no need to repeat it again here.

Do you have some more specific questions, which are not answered in the information sources I mentioned?
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It is not a simple problem.
In vacuum, the light is electromagnetic wave - nothing else. When it strikes a dense material, which is made of atoms, molecules; electrons and nuclei, the electromagnetic field of light and the particles of the matter interact. The electric field polarizes the molecules/atoms, by acting in opposite directions on the negative electrons and the positive nuclei. The induced dipole moment vibrates with the frequency of the light and generates electromagnetic waves, that interfere with the original one. The whole thing is electromagnetic field and mechanical vibration of charged particles, propagating. Why should be the speed of propagation stay the same as that of the light in vacuum? It is a different kind of wave.

In textbooks, you find how the permittivity ε of the material can be derived using the induced dipoles, and also it is shown that the speed of the electromagnetic waves is v=1/√(εμ). Far from absorption bands where the frequency of light is close to the frequency of vibration of the electrons/ions, ε is greater in the material than in vacuum, so the speed of light gets slower. But near a resonant frequency, ε gets complex, and the light being absorbed, also has higher phase velocity than in vacuum.

For very young students I would explain why the light slows down in matter with a simple analogy. Imagine you walk wit 5 km/h on a smooth road. But you have to cross a wood. There are trees everywhere, so you can not go straight ahead any more, you have to bypass a tree in your way every now and then. You can not go straight ahead: you go zig-zag while trying to keep the direction of travel, so the average displacement is a straight line. But, in spite you walk with 5 km/h speed, the component of your velocity along that straight line is less.

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Well, explaining slower light with absorption-emission is one of usual explanations. At the same time it is also said that a photon can be absorbed if there are two levels of the atomic system which differ in energy equal to that of the photon (and the transition between them is allowed). There are no such transitions for visible light in glass but the speed of light is about 1.5 times slower than in air.

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If it is just down to simple absorption and re-emission then the light would be scattered, surely. For the re-emission to be coherent with the incident wave, you would need stimulated emission and that only happens in rare circumstances.
People always seem to want to bring the 'School Hydrogen Atom' model into explanations of everything. It cannot be that simple. It cannot be at the 'atomic level' but it has to be at the bulk material level that such a wideband effect occurs.
 

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