Depiction of distribution of photons over time

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of photons in relation to the Schrödinger equation, specifically focusing on the spatial distribution of photons over time and how this can be depicted. It touches on concepts from quantum mechanics and quantum electrodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Schrödinger equation can describe the probability of a photon being found in certain locations, indicating a wave-particle duality.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the Schrödinger equation describes the evolution of a quantum system's state, it cannot independently provide information about the probability of photon observation without initial conditions.
  • A follow-up comment seeks to visualize the spatial probability distribution evolution, imagining a wave-like distribution with varying amplitude over time.
  • Another participant argues that photons are fundamentally relativistic quantum objects and that quantum electrodynamics, rather than the Schrödinger equation, is necessary to describe them, noting that photons do not possess a wave function in the traditional sense.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Schrödinger equation to photons, with some asserting its relevance while others argue for the necessity of quantum electrodynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate framework for describing photon behavior.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the initial conditions required for applying the Schrödinger equation to photons, and the discussion highlights the limitations of using non-relativistic quantum mechanics for relativistic particles.

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I have a question about photons and the Schrödinger equation.

Photons behave like particles but also as waves. I understand that this can be described by the Schrödinger equation as a photon having a certain probability to be somewhere.

If I understand this correctly, I take it that there are places in which the photon is more likely to be found than other places. Since a photon travels, the following question arose with me: how does the spatial distribution of the probability of the photon being somewhere evolve over time? Is this what the Schrödinger equation describes? Is there an easy (layman) way to depict such a distribution? (over time)

Thanks.
 
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entropy1 said:
I understand that this can be described by the Schrödinger equation as a photon having a certain probability to be somewhere.
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Is this what the Schrödinger equation describes? Is there an easy (layman) way to depict such a distribution? (over time)
The second part is correct, but not the first. The Schrödinger equation describes the evolution of a quantum system's state over time. But it cannot on its own tell you anything about the probability of a photon observation occurring at a particular place. For that, initial conditions are needed, such as the wave function at time t=0.
 
andrewkirk said:
For that, initial conditions are needed, such as the wave function at time t=0.

That is exactly what I mean.:smile: If this is given, is there an easy way to visualize the spatial probability distribution evolution?

I imagine a wave-like distribution of which the amplitude differs over space and evolves over time.
 
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The Schrödinger equation is part of non-relativistic quantum mechanics. Photons are quintessentially relativistic quantum objects. You have to use quantum electrodynamics (a quantum field theory) to describe them. Photons don't even have a wave function in the sense of the ##\Psi## of the Schrödinger equation. See the following previous discussion for example:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/about-wave-function-of-photon.791842/
 
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