Derivation for Aphelion and Perihelion Distances

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the formulas for perihelion and aphelion distances in elliptical orbits, specifically focusing on the semi-major axis (SMA) and eccentricity. Participants explore the underlying principles and definitions that lead to these formulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the formulas for perihelion and aphelion distances as a(1-e) and a(1+e), respectively, and expresses confusion about the derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the focus-directrix definition of an ellipse provides a quick way to understand these distances, but acknowledges that other definitions may require more effort.
  • A third participant recommends consulting classical mechanics textbooks for further information.
  • A later reply reiterates the formulas and connects them to the definition of eccentricity, noting that the foci of an ellipse are located at a distance of ±ea from the center, and emphasizes the requirement that the sum of distances to the foci equals 2a for points on the ellipse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific derivation method, and multiple approaches to understanding the formulas are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of eccentricity and the properties of ellipses are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to derive the formulas from first principles.

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I know the formulas for perihelion and aphelion distances in an orbit with SMA a and eccentricity e are a(1-e) and a(1+e), respectively. However, why is this? I can't seem to find any derivations for this anywhere and also cannot figure this out myself.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "why" here. The focus-directrix definition of an ellipse gives you this more or less instantly, but you may have to work harder with other definitions. Or are you trying to prove it from ##F=GMm/r^2##?

Basically, you have told us where you want to go but not where you are. That makes it tricky to give directions.
 
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See any classical mechanics textbook
 
bruhh said:
I know the formulas for perihelion and aphelion distances in an orbit with SMA a and eccentricity e are a(1-e) and a(1+e), respectively. However, why is this? I can't seem to find any derivations for this anywhere and also cannot figure this out myself.
It follows from the definition of the eccentricity: the focal points of an ellipse are at a distance ## \pm e a ## from the center. And for perihelion and aphelion, as for any points on the ellipse, the sum of the distances to the foci must be ## 2a ##.
 

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