Derivation of Euler's formula for phi(m)

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Euler's formula for the totient function \varphi(m), specifically focusing on the multiplicative property of \varphi for coprime integers. Participants explore the reasoning behind this property, its implications, and the mathematical justification for why \varphi(m_{1}m_{2}) equals \varphi(m_{1})\varphi(m_{2}) rather than the sum of the two.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the claim that if n is coprime to m (where m = m_{1}m_{2} and m_{1} is coprime to m_{2}), then the remainders n_{1} and n_{2} are coprime to m_{1} and m_{2}, respectively.
  • One participant questions the "obvious" nature of the relationship that n_{1} and n_{2} are coprime to their respective moduli, suggesting that a theorem may be needed to guarantee this.
  • Another participant provides a reasoning based on the definition of remainders, arguing that if n_{1} and n_{2} were not coprime to m_{1} and m_{2}, they would not be valid remainders.
  • A participant presents a proof for the case of a prime p, stating that \varphi(p^a) = p^{a-1}(p-1), which is used to support the multiplicative property of \varphi.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about why the value of \varphi(m_{1}m_{2}) is derived from multiplication rather than addition, indicating a need for clarification on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of confidence regarding the reasoning behind the coprimality of remainders and the multiplicative property of \varphi. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and proof without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of coprime integers and the definition of remainders are not fully explored, leaving room for further investigation into the mathematical foundations of the claims made.

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I read on http://www.cut-the-knot.org/blue/Euler.shtml that the derivation of the Euler's formula for [itex]\varphi(m)[/itex] requires that the following multiplicative property of [itex]\varphi[/itex] be established:

[tex] \varphi(m_{1}m_{2})=\varphi(m_{1})\varphi(m_{2})\mbox{ for coprime } m_{1} \mbox{ and } m_{2}[/tex]

The article proves that the multiplicative property holds in the following way:
Let [itex]0 \leq n < m[/itex] be coprime to [itex]m[/itex].
Find remainders [itex]n_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] of division of [itex]n[/itex] by [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and [itex]m_{2}[/itex], respectively:
[tex] n\equiv n_{1} \mbox{ (mod }m_{1}\mbox{) } \mbox{and } n\equiv n_{2} \mbox{ (mod } m_{2} \mbox{)}[/tex]
Obviously, [itex]n_{1}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{2}[/itex].

Although it says "obviously", I don't find that the relationship is obvious enough. That is:
[tex] n \mbox{ is coprime to } m\mbox{ and }m=m_{1}m_{2},\ m_{1} \mbox{ is coprime to } m_{2} }\mbox{ and }n\equiv n_{1} \mbox{ (mod }m_{1}\mbox{) } \rightarrow n_{1} \mbox{ is coprime to } m_{1}[/tex]
Is there any theorem that will guarantee that relationship?

Besides that, why is the value of [itex]\varphi(m_{1}m_{2})[/itex] found by multiplying [itex]\varphi(m_{1})[/itex] and [itex]\varphi(m_{2})[/itex] instead of by adding [itex]\varphi(m_{1})[/itex] and [itex]\varphi(m_{2})[/itex]?

Thank you.
 
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I read on http://www.cut-the-knot.org/blue/Euler.shtml that the derivation of the Euler's formula for [itex]\varphi(m)[/itex] requires that the following multiplicative property of [itex]\varphi[/itex] be established:

[tex] \varphi(m_{1}m_{2})=\varphi(m_{1})\varphi(m_{2})\mbox{ for coprime } m_{1} \mbox{ and } m_{2}[/tex]

The article proves that the multiplicative property holds in the following way:
Let [itex]0 \leq n < m[/itex] be coprime to [itex]m[/itex].
Find remainders [itex]n_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] of division of [itex]n[/itex] by [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and [itex]m_{2}[/itex], respectively:
[tex] n\equiv n_{1} \mbox{ (mod }m_{1}\mbox{) } \mbox{and } n\equiv n_{2} \mbox{ (mod } m_{2} \mbox{)}[/tex]
Obviously, [itex]n_{1}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{2}[/itex].

Although it says "obviously", I don't find that the relationship is obvious enough.

the remainder [itex]n_{1}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and the remainder [itex]n_{2}[/itex] is coprime to [itex]m_{2}[/itex] because otherwise the division of [itex]n_{1}[/itex] by [itex]m_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] by [itex]m_{2}[/itex] should give another remainders, and in these cases we cannot call [itex]n_{1}[/itex] and [itex]n_{2}[/itex] remainders. For instance if a = qb + r, r being the remainder, then by definition r < b (otherwise the division of r by b should let another remainder, and then r shouldn't be a the remainder). So, if a = qb + r, r being the remainder, b and r are always coprimes.
 
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So, if a = qb + r, r being the remainder, b and r are always coprimes.

Ah, thank you for the explanation.

But, why is the value of [itex]\varphi(m_{1}m_{2})[/itex] found by multiplying [itex]\varphi(m_{1})[/itex] and [itex]\varphi(m_{2})[/itex] instead of by adding [itex]\varphi(m_{1})[/itex] and [itex]\varphi(m_{2})[/itex]?
 
this is a little bit long to prove

for a p prime, [itex]\varphi(p^a) = p^{a-1}(p-1)[/itex]

proof:

for every prime number, the amount of number from 1 to p such that all of them are coprimes with p is = p-1. Ex: p = 7 ==> 6,5,4,3,2,1 are coprime with 7

there are [itex]p^{a-1}[/itex] integers between 1 and [itex]p^a[/itex] which are divisible by p: p, 2p, 3p, 4p, 5p, ..., [itex]p^{a-1}p[/itex]

thus the set {1,2,3,4,...,[itex]p^a[/itex]} contain exactly [itex]p^a - p^{a-1} = p^{a-1}(p-1)[/itex] integers which are relatively prime to [itex]p^a[/itex]

from here one can use this result to prove that relation

to prove the relation [tex]\varphi(m_{1}m_{2})=\varphi(m_{1})\varphi(m_{2})\ box{ for coprime } m_{1} \mbox{ and } m_{2}[/tex] I think you can search the web and find probably the same proof that I have here from a book
 
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Ah, I see.

Thank you very much for your help.
 

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