Derivation of geodesic equation from the action - quick question

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the geodesic equation from the action in the context of general relativity. Participants are specifically questioning the mathematical expressions related to variations of the metric tensor and the vector potential, exploring the underlying principles and rules of differentiation and variation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the derivation of the expression ## \delta g_{uv}=\partial_{\alpha}g_{uv}\delta x^{\alpha}##, suggesting it relates to the differential of the function ##g_{uv}##.
  • Others argue that ##\delta g_{\mu \nu}## should be viewed as the variation of the function rather than its differential, emphasizing the context of varying the curve ##x^\alpha##.
  • One participant proposes that the chain rule and product rule might be relevant in deriving the expression for the variation of the vector potential ##\delta A_u##, but expresses uncertainty about the application.
  • There is a challenge regarding the interpretation of what constitutes the "curve" in the context of deriving the geodesic equation.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of variations versus differentials, indicating a lack of consensus on the mathematical treatment of these concepts.

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Participants reference the need for careful reading of the derivation section in the context of the geodesic equation, suggesting that some assumptions or foundational knowledge may be missing for a complete understanding.

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binbagsss said:
Hi,

I am following this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesics_in_general_relativity

and all is good except how do we get ## \delta g_{uv}=\partial_{\alpha}g_{uv}\delta x^{\alpha}##

Many thanks

Similarly if I want to derive the modified geodesic equation obeyed by a charged particle of some given charge as well as some given mass I need to vary ##\delta A_u ## the vector potential, and the first hint given is that first of all you need to explain why:

## \delta A_u = \partial_v A_u \delta x^v ##

where ## \partial_v = \frac{\partial}{\partial x^v}##

I was perhaps thinking it uses the chain rule and then the product rule, since each term would need be varied wrt ##x^u## but can't really see this working:

## g_{uv}=\partial_{\alpha}g_{uv}dx^{\alpha}##


 
binbagsss said:
how do we get ## \delta g_{uv}=\partial_{\alpha}g_{uv}\delta x^{\alpha}##
Here, ##g## is a function of ##x##, i.e. ##g_{\mu \nu} = g_{\mu \nu} (x^\alpha)##. ##\delta g_{\mu \nu}## should be regarded as the differential of the function ##g_{\mu \nu}##. How do you apply the differential operator ##d## to a function? It's the same thing here.
 
davidge said:
##\delta g_{\mu \nu}## should be regarded as the differential of the function ##g_{\mu \nu}##.

No, it isn't. It's the variation of the function ##g_{\mu \nu}##. More specifically, it's the variation of ##g_{\mu \mu}## when you vary the curve ##x^\alpha## that you have chosen. If your question at this point is "what curve", then you need to go back and read, carefully, the section on deriving the geodesic equation via an action.
 
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