Derivation of Lagrangian in the calculus of variations

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The discussion focuses on deriving the expression for the derivative of the Lagrangian in the calculus of variations. The initial equation presented involves applying the chain rule to evaluate the derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to a perturbed variable. The user encounters difficulty in evaluating the partial derivative at epsilon equals zero, leading to confusion about the dependence of the Lagrangian on the perturbed variable. The response suggests that the Lagrangian should be expressed in terms of its derivatives with respect to the original variable, recommending the use of Taylor-Maclaurin series expansion for clarity. This approach can help resolve the issue of evaluating the derivatives correctly.
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Homework Statement
##\frac {d} {d\epsilon}\left. L(q+\epsilon \psi) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} ##

where the index ##\epsilon = 0## means the derivative of the function evaluated at this point.
Relevant Equations
##q=q(t)##
##\psi = \psi (q(t), \dot{q}(t), t)##
Hello. In a chapter of a book I just read it is given that

##\frac {d} {d\epsilon}\left. L(q+\epsilon \psi) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} = \frac {\partial L} {\partial q} \psi ##

While trying to get to this conclusion myself I've stumbled over some problem.
First I apply the chain rule:

##\left.(\frac {\partial L(q+\epsilon \psi)} {\partial (q+\epsilon \psi)} \frac {d (q+\epsilon \psi)} {d \epsilon}) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} ##

The second part of the product can be evaluated since ##q## and ##\psi## do not depend on ##\epsilon##:

##\frac {d (q+\epsilon \psi)} {d \epsilon} = \psi##

This leads to:
##\frac {d} {d\epsilon}\left. L(q+\epsilon \psi) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} = \left.(\frac {\partial L(q+\epsilon \psi)} {\partial (q+\epsilon \psi)} \frac {d (q+\epsilon \psi)} {d \epsilon}) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} = \left.(\frac {\partial L(q+\epsilon \psi)} {\partial (q+\epsilon \psi)} \psi) \right|_{\epsilon = 0}##

And now, I don't know how to continue since I think it is not allowed to evaluate the arguments of the Operator ##\frac {\partial L(q+\epsilon \psi)} {\partial (q+\epsilon \psi)}## at ##\epsilon = 0##
In my opinion this evaluation has to be done after the derivation which I can't calculate since it's not clear how ##L## depends on ##(q+\epsilon \psi)##
 
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As you write it, the Lagrangian is a function only of the one variable. You shouldn't be writing a partial derivative. But to answer your question the two functions ##L'(q+\epsilon\psi)## and ##L'(q)## agree at ##\epsilon=0## where ##L'(y)=\frac{dL(y)}{dy}##.
 
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Can you think of a way to write ##L(q+\epsilon \psi)## in terms of derivatives of ##L## with respect to ##q##, given that ##\epsilon \psi## is very small?
 
Yes... look up Taylor-Maclaurian series expansion of a function in your Calculus 1 textbook.
 
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