Derivation of the conservation of total energy and momentum

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the conservation of total energy and momentum from the equation ##T^{\mu \nu}_{,\nu}=0##. Participants explore the mathematical implications of this equation, particularly in the context of integrating tensor components and applying Gauss' theorem in both three and four dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to derive the conservation equation from the divergence condition, specifically questioning the integration process of ##T^{00}_0 + T^{0i}_i = 0##.
  • Another participant mentions Gauss' theorem as a relevant tool for the derivation.
  • Several participants provide similar mathematical expressions showing the relationship between the time derivative of the energy density and spatial derivatives of momentum density, indicating that the right-hand side represents a divergence.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the conservation of the integral of ##T^{\mu 0}## over three-dimensional space, contingent on the fields approaching zero at infinity.
  • One participant highlights that the naive calculation of total four-momentum density leads to a four-vector only under the condition that ##\partial_{\nu} T^{\mu \nu}=0##, reiterating the importance of this condition in the context of the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships involved in the derivation, particularly the application of Gauss' theorem. However, there is no consensus on the clarity or elegance of the derivation process, with some expressing that it obscures the beauty of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the integration process and the implications of boundary conditions at infinity.

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I want to derive from ##T^{\mu \nu}_{,\nu}=0## the equation: ##\int T_{0\mu}d^3 y=constant##, I don't see how exactly.

From the derivative I know that ##T^{0\mu}_{,\mu}=0##, but I don't see how to integrate this equation, it's ##T^{00}_0+T^{0i}_i=0##.
But how to proceed from here?

Thanks in advance, great forums!
 
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Gauss’ theorem.
 
$$T^{\mu \nu}{}_{, \nu} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} = - \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i} \\ \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i}d^3 x$$ Right hand side is a divergence. Integrate over all space to get ##\int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int T^{\mu i}## over the boundary at infinity. Demand that the fields go to zero there ##\Longrightarrow \int T^{\mu 0} d^3 x## is conserved.
 
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kent davidge said:
$$T^{\mu \nu}{}_{, \nu} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} = - \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i} \\ \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i}d^3 x$$ Right hand side is a divergence. Integrate over all space to get ##\int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int T^{\mu i}## over the boundary at infinity. Demand that the fields go to zero there ##\Longrightarrow \int T^{\mu 0} d^3 x## is conserved.
This is fine, but obscures the beauty of using Gauss’ theorem in 4 dimensions.
 
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kent davidge said:
$$T^{\mu \nu}{}_{, \nu} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} = - \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i} \\ \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i}d^3 x$$ Right hand side is a divergence. Integrate over all space to get ##\int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int T^{\mu i}## over the boundary at infinity. Demand that the fields go to zero there ##\Longrightarrow \int T^{\mu 0} d^3 x## is conserved.
kent davidge said:
$$T^{\mu \nu}{}_{, \nu} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} = - \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i} \\ \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int \frac{\partial T^{\mu i}}{\partial x^i}d^3 x$$ Right hand side is a divergence. Integrate over all space to get ##\int \frac{\partial T^{\mu 0}}{\partial t} d^3 x = - \int T^{\mu i}## over the boundary at infinity. Demand that the fields go to zero there ##\Longrightarrow \int T^{\mu 0} d^3 x## is conserved.
Thanks for your illuminating answer!
 
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The important point to remember is that only if ##\partial_{\nu} T^{\mu \nu}=0##, the naive calculation of the total four-momentum density leads to a four-vector,
$$g^{\mu}=\int_{mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} T^{\mu 0}.$$
The proof follows again from Gauss's theorem in four dimensions. For the proof (for the completely analogous case of a conserved four-current) see p. 19 in

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/kolkata.pdf
 

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