Derivation of the velocity of an expectation value

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The discussion revolves around deriving the velocity of the expectation value in quantum mechanics, specifically using the expectation value formula and the Schrödinger equation. The original poster attempts to manipulate these equations to arrive at a form for the time derivative of the expectation value.

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  • The original poster presents a series of equations and manipulations to derive the velocity of the expectation value, questioning the validity of their steps and the presence of additional terms in their final equation.

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Some participants provide feedback on the correctness of the equations presented, specifically questioning the inclusion of certain terms. There is acknowledgment of the assumption that the wavefunction approaches zero at infinity, which is necessary for the normalization of the probability integral.

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Participants discuss the implications of the wavefunction's behavior at infinity and its relevance to the normalization condition in quantum mechanics. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to derive for myself the velocity of the expectation value from the information given, specifically that

<x> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x|\Psi (x,t)|^2 dt (1)

Eq (1) can be transformed into,

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = -\frac{i\hbar}{m}\int\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}dx (2)

I couldn't come up with Eq. (2). Below is my work.

2. Homework Equations .

Schr\ddot{o}dinger Equation
i\hbar\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t}=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}+V\Psi

The Attempt at a Solution



Taking the derivative of both sides of Eq. (1) results in,

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = \int x\frac{\partial}{\partial t}|\Psi|^2 dx (3)

As \Psi^2 = \Psi^*\Psi taking the derivative of the r.h.s of Eq.(3) results in,

\int x\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t}+\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial t}\right) (4)

Manipulating the Schr\ddot{o}dinger Equation to get \frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial T}

-\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t} = \frac{\hbar}{2im}{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}-\frac{V\Psi}{i\hbar} (5)

Multiplying both sides of Eq. (5) by i^2,

\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t} = \frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}-\frac{iV\Psi}{\hbar} (6)

Taking the complex conjugate of Eq. (6),

\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial t} = -\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi^*}{\partial x^2}+\frac{iV\Psi^*}{\hbar}(7)

Substituting Eq. (6) & (7) into Eq. (4) results in,

=\Psi^*\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}-V\frac{i\Psi^*\Psi}{\hbar}-\Psi\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi^*}{\partial x^2}+V\frac{i\Psi^*\Psi}{\hbar}

=\Psi^*\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}-\Psi\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi^*}{\partial x^2}

=\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2}-\Psi\frac{\partial^2\Psi^*}{\partial x^2}\right)(8)

Eq. (8) is equivalent to,

\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)\right](9)

(The inside can be confirmed just by taking the derivative, which I'm going to leave out for brevities sake)

So, the velocity of the expectation value now becomes,

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = \frac{i\hbar}{2m}\int x\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)dx(10)

Taking the constant out I solved the integrand by using integration by parts.

Let u=x
dv=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)dx.

Then, du=dx
v=\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)

Substituting this into \int udv = \int uv-\int vdu

x\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)\bigg|_{\infty}^{\infty}-\int \left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)dx (11)

Before the integral that term goes to 0 because (as I'm told, I don't actually know how to prove this) \Psi goes to zero must quicker then x goes to infinity. So the velocity becomes,

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = -\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\int \left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}\right)dx(12)

I transformed,

\Psi\frac{\partial\Psi^*}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial\Psi^*\Psi}{\partial x}-\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}(13)

Substituting Eq (13) into Eq (12),

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = -\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\int \left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\frac{\partial\Psi^*\Psi}{\partial x}+\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}\right)dx

=\frac{d<x>}{dt} = -\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\int \left(2\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}-\frac{\partial\Psi^*\Psi}{\partial x}\right)dx(14)

Eq.(14) Becomes

\frac{d<x>}{dt} = -\frac{i\hbar}{m}\int \Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}dx+\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\int\frac{\partial\Psi^*\Psi}{\partial x}dx(15)

The left part of the r.h.s. of Eq.(15) is what I want but I don't know how to eliminate the right portion of it.

Anyone have any ideas??

Thanks in advance!

Matt
 
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Eqn. (15) Looks incorrect. You should only have the first term on the rhs.

EDIT:
Of course, the second term is an integral of a derivative of |\Psi|^{2} = \Psi^{\ast} \, \Psi, so it can be integrated. But, the wavefunction disappears at infinity, so the contribution from that term is zero.
 
So, I can assume again that \Psi^2\Psi goes to zero as it goes to infinity? If that's the case then thanks! =)
 
mtmn said:
So, I can assume again that \Psi^2\Psi goes to zero as it goes to infinity? If that's the case then thanks! =)

Of course. This is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for the probability normalization integral:

<br /> \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{|\Psi(x, t)|^{2} \, dx} = 1<br />

to converge.
 

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