Derivations of Einstein field equations

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Einstein field equations, specifically focusing on the appearance of the constant term involving $$c^4$$ in the denominator. Participants explore the relationship between the terms in the equations and the units involved, as well as the implications of using different types of density (energy density vs. mass density).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the constant term in the Einstein field equations includes $$c^4$$ in the denominator and notes that many derivations do not clarify this point.
  • Another participant explains that the inclusion of $$c^4$$ is related to unit correction, stating that $$T_{\mu \nu}$$ is in units of energy density while $$G_{\mu \nu}$$ is in units of curvature, leading to a conversion factor of $$G/c^4$$.
  • A participant raises the question of whether both energy density and mass density are valid choices for $$T_{\mu \nu}$$.
  • Another participant responds affirmatively, indicating that the choice between energy density and mass density depends on preference and the specific problem being addressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of using energy density versus mass density in the context of the Einstein field equations, indicating that multiple perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on unit choices and the implications for the conversion factors used in the equations, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or preferences for different density types.

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Hello Everyone,
I have read many derivations of Einstein field equations (done one myself), but none of them explain why the constant term should have a $$c^4$$ in the denominator. the 8πG term can be obtained from Poisson's equation, but how does c^4 pop up? Most of the books just derive it with $$8\pi G$$, and say that in units where c is not equal to 1, you get $$8πG/c^4$$, even though there is no mention of an explicit assumption that c=1. They kind of just bring it up suddenly, and there is no prior need to assume c=1 anyway. I don't want to do it with Einstein-Hilbert action, but the standard $$G_{\mu\nu}=kT_{\mu\nu}$$ approach, where I need to show that $$k=\frac{8\pi G}{c^4}$$.
Thanks in advance!
 
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cr7einstein said:
the 8πG term can be obtained from Poisson's equation, but how does c^4 pop up?

It's just correcting the units. Normally ##T_{\mu \nu}## is in units of energy density, and ##G_{\mu \nu}## is in units of curvature, i.e., inverse length squared. The conversion factor between these units is ##G / c^4##. (The ##8 \pi## part comes from matching the prediction for static, weak-field gravity with Poisson's equation, as you say.) If you choose to use different units, that will change the conversion factor; for example, if you use units of mass density instead of energy density for ##T_{\mu \nu}##, then the factor will be ##G / c^2##.
 
So are both (energy density and mass density) equally valid?
 
cr7einstein said:
So are both (energy density and mass density) equally valid?

Sure, it's just a matter of which you prefer, or which is more suitable for whatever problem you're working on.
 

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