Derivative and Jacobian of a transformation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the derivative and Jacobian for a transformation defined by the equations x = r cos(θ) and y = r sin(θ). Participants are exploring the implications of these transformations in the context of partial derivatives and determinants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand which derivative to calculate given that both x and y are functions of r and θ, questioning the need for partial derivatives. There is also confusion regarding the origin of the Jacobian matrix.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarification about the Jacobian matrix being composed of partial derivatives and its relationship to the determinant. The original poster acknowledges this input and indicates a willingness to continue working on the assignment.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions that the section is focused on calculating determinants, which may influence their understanding of the Jacobian in this context.

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Homework Statement



For the transformation, draw the lattice lines, calculate the derivative, and calculate the Jacobian.

[itex]x=rcos\theta[/itex]
[itex]y=rsin\theta[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew the lattice lines correctly. What I am confused about is the derivative. Since x and y are both functions of r and theta, what derivative are they talking about? Wouldn't I have to take the partial with respect to R or theta? This section is supposed to be on calculating determinants.

I understand that the Jacobian is the determinant of a particular matrix, but where does this matrix come from?
 
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the Jacobian matrix is the matrix of partial derivatives
[tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> \frac{\partial x}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta} \\<br /> \frac{\partial y}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta} \\<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

the Jacobian determinant is the determinant of that matrix and is probably what you're referring to with the shorthand "Jacobian"
 
Alright thanks. Yea I looked at the Jacobian wikipedia earlier, before I posted this, but it all just seemed greek to me. I am about to try to finish the assignment.

Thanks again, I'll let you know how it goes.
 
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note if you had a small displacement (dr,dtheta)^T, multiplying this by the jacobian would give you the corresponding (dx,dy), similar to the chain rule
 

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