Derivative of a piecewise function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of a piecewise function defined as ##f(x) = \begin{cases} \frac {x^3-x^2}{x-1} & \text{if } x\neq1 \\ 1 & \text{if } x=1 \end{cases}##, specifically evaluating ##f'(1)## using the limit definition of the derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the limit definition of the derivative and L'Hôpital's rule to evaluate ##f'(1)##. There is also a comparison made between the piecewise function and the function ##f(x) = x^2##, questioning their equivalence and domain differences.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the function's definition and its derivative. Some participants suggest that the piecewise function is essentially equivalent to ##x^2##, while others clarify the implications of defining the function at ##x=1##. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple valid approaches have been acknowledged.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion regarding the term "piecewise function" and its implications for the function's definition. The discussion also highlights the importance of the defined value at ##x=1## in relation to the overall function behavior.

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Homework Statement
Finding derivative of function ##f## which is a piecewise function.
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##f'(a)=\lim_{x \rightarrow a} {\frac {f(x)-f(a)} {x-a}}##
##f(x) = \begin{cases} \frac {x^3-x^2}{x-1} & \text{if } x\neq1 \\ 1 & \text{if } x=1 \end{cases}##
Find ##f'(1)##.

Using derivative definition:
##f'(1)=\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} {\frac {\frac {x^3-x^2}{x-1}-f(1)} {x-1}}##

##f'(1)=\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} {\frac {\frac {x^3-x^2}{x-1}-1} {x-1}}##

##f'(1)=\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} {\frac {x^3-x^2-x+1} {(x-1)^2}}##

Apply L'Hôpital's rule two times:
##f'(1)=\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} {\frac {6x-2} {2}}##
##f'(1)=2##

Can someone please tell me if I'm wrong …

Can I say that ##f(x) = \begin{cases} \frac {x^3-x^2}{x-1} & \text{if } x\neq1 \\ 1 & \text{if } x=1 \end{cases}## graph is similar to ##y=x^2## but it's undefined at ##x=1##? If it's true then I can find ##f'(1)=2x=2## far faster.
 
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##f(x) = x^2##? True or false?
 
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PeroK said:
##f(x) = x^2##? True or false?
No these functions have different domains, so they're not equal.
 
MatinSAR said:
No these functions have different domains, so they're not equal.
The domain is ##\mathbb R## in both cases.

It's true. The function you are given is plain old ##x^2##, wearing a thin disguise!
 
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PeroK said:
The domain is ##\mathbb R## in both cases.

It's true. The function you are given is plain old ##x^2##, wearing a thin disguise!
Oh! I've forgotten that we've defined ##f(1)=1##. So both ways were correct, Do you agree?
 
MatinSAR said:
Oh! I've forgotten that we've defined ##f(1)=1##. So both ways were correct, Do you agree?
Both methods are valid. But, the first method is unnecessarily complicated.

As an aside, I've never liked the term piecewise function, as there is no such thing, IMO. You can define a function piecewise. But, as in this case, that doesn't mean that you have to define it piecewise. In this case, you could equally well have written ##f(x) = x^2 \ (\forall x)##.

I wonder whether whoever set the question realised this.
 
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PeroK said:
Both methods are valid. But, the first method is unnecessarily complicated.
Yes.
PeroK said:
As an aside, I've never liked the term piecewise function, as there is no such thing, IMO. You can define a function piecewise. But, as in this case, that doesn't mean that you have to define it piecewise. In this case, you could equally well have written ##f(x) = x^2 \ (\forall x)##.

I wonder whether whoever set the question realised this.
I've understand it. Thank you for your valuable help and time.
 

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