Derivative of a unit step function

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The discussion focuses on finding the derivative of the function g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t), where u(t) is the unit step function. The derivative of u(t) is identified as the Dirac delta function, leading to an initial expression for g'(t) that includes both e^(-t)*u(t) and a term involving the delta function. However, it is clarified that the delta function is not necessary since g(t) is continuous at t = 0, although the left-hand and right-hand derivatives differ. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the behavior of functions at discontinuities and integrating to interpret derivatives correctly. Overall, the key takeaway is that while the delta function is often mentioned, it may not be applicable in this specific case due to the continuity of g(t).
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So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
 
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Crabbz said:
So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
That should be d(t), not d(x).

Use the fact that f(t)δ(t) = f(0)δ(t).
 
Crabbz said:
So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance

You do not need the δ-function, since g(t) is continuous at t = 0 (no jump discontinuity). However, the left-hand and right-hand derivatives are different, so the answer will have a u(t) in it.
 
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Hi Crabbz! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a δ from the "Quick Symbols" box next to the Reply box :wink:)
Crabbz said:
I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x).

(as vela :smile: says, of course that should be δ(t) :wink:)

Technically, it's not the delta function, it's the dirac delta, which isn't a function at all, it's a "generalised function", or "distribution", which really only works inside an integral.

(unfortunately, they're both written δ ! :rolleyes:)

In particular, dirac δ(0) is not 1, it's actually ∞ (just look at the graph … how else can you get its total integral to equal 1 ?! :biggrin:)
So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)

Let's take an easier example, f(x) = (2x + 3)u(x) …

just by looking. that's the negative x-axis, then a line of slope 2 starting at (0,3): so its derivative is obviously 0 for x < 0, and 2 for x > 0, and there's a discontinuity at x = 0.

Now let's apply the chain rule, instead of just looking:

f'(x) = 2u(x) + (2x + 3)u'(x)

for x ≠ 0, that gives us f'(x) = 2u(x) + 0 (which is correct for x≠ 0)

for x = 0, it doesn't really tell us anything, since u'(0) = ∞​

The way to interpret f'(x) = 2u(x) + (2x + 3)u'(x) at x = 0 is to look at a small interval (h,k), with k > 0, and integrate:

∫ f'(x) dx = ∫ 2u(x) dx + ∫ (2x + 3)u'(x) dx

the LHS is f(k) - f(h), ie 2(k - h) if h ≥ 0, and 2k + 3 if h < 0

the first term on the RHS is 2(k - h) if h ≥ 0, but only 2k if h < 0

the second term on the RHS is (2*0 + 3)*0 = 0 if h ≥ 0, and (2*0 + 3)*1 = 3 if h < 0​

so it all adds up! :smile:
 
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