Derivative of a unit step function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t), where u(t) is the unit step function. Participants are exploring the application of differentiation rules in the context of signals and systems, particularly focusing on the behavior of the unit step function and its derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the chain rule in differentiation and the implications of the unit step function's derivative being the delta function. There are attempts to clarify the continuity of g(t) at t = 0 and the nature of the left-hand and right-hand derivatives.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the notation and interpretation of the delta function. Some guidance has been offered regarding the continuity of g(t) and the potential presence of a unit step function in the derivative, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the notation of the delta function and its properties, as well as the continuity of g(t) at t = 0, which may affect the interpretation of the derivative.

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So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
 
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Crabbz said:
So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
That should be d(t), not d(x).

Use the fact that f(t)δ(t) = f(0)δ(t).
 
Crabbz said:
So I'm busy struggling with some worked examples in my signals class. I understand the theory from the notes and textbook but I cannot seem to apply them to proper examples.
We are asked to find the derivative of g(t) = (1-e^(-t))*u(t) where u(t) is a unit step function.

I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x). So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)
However I get stuck at this point and not sure where to go from here.

Thanks in advance

You do not need the δ-function, since g(t) is continuous at t = 0 (no jump discontinuity). However, the left-hand and right-hand derivatives are different, so the answer will have a u(t) in it.
 
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Hi Crabbz! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a δ from the "Quick Symbols" box next to the Reply box :wink:)
Crabbz said:
I know the derivative of u(t) is the delta function, d(x).

(as vela :smile: says, of course that should be δ(t) :wink:)

Technically, it's not the delta function, it's the dirac delta, which isn't a function at all, it's a "generalised function", or "distribution", which really only works inside an integral.

(unfortunately, they're both written δ ! :rolleyes:)

In particular, dirac δ(0) is not 1, it's actually ∞ (just look at the graph … how else can you get its total integral to equal 1 ?! :biggrin:)
So when I try solve the derivative I use the chain rule and get:
g'(t) = e^(-t)*u(t) + (1-^e(-t))*d(x)

Let's take an easier example, f(x) = (2x + 3)u(x) …

just by looking. that's the negative x-axis, then a line of slope 2 starting at (0,3): so its derivative is obviously 0 for x < 0, and 2 for x > 0, and there's a discontinuity at x = 0.

Now let's apply the chain rule, instead of just looking:

f'(x) = 2u(x) + (2x + 3)u'(x)

for x ≠ 0, that gives us f'(x) = 2u(x) + 0 (which is correct for x≠ 0)

for x = 0, it doesn't really tell us anything, since u'(0) = ∞​

The way to interpret f'(x) = 2u(x) + (2x + 3)u'(x) at x = 0 is to look at a small interval (h,k), with k > 0, and integrate:

∫ f'(x) dx = ∫ 2u(x) dx + ∫ (2x + 3)u'(x) dx

the LHS is f(k) - f(h), ie 2(k - h) if h ≥ 0, and 2k + 3 if h < 0

the first term on the RHS is 2(k - h) if h ≥ 0, but only 2k if h < 0

the second term on the RHS is (2*0 + 3)*0 = 0 if h ≥ 0, and (2*0 + 3)*1 = 3 if h < 0​

so it all adds up! :smile:
 

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