Derivative of cos(3x) at x = 0: Is it 1?

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The discussion revolves around the derivative of the function cos(3x) at x = 0, specifically whether it equals 1. Participants explore the implications of derivatives, the behavior of trigonometric functions, and the application of the chain rule in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the derivative of cos(x) as x approaches 0 is -sin(0), which equals 0, not 1.
  • Others propose that the derivative of cos(3x) at x = 0 can be calculated as -3sin(3x) at x = 0, leading to a result of 0.
  • One participant mentions that the derivative of sin(x) approaches 1 as x approaches 0, but questions whether the same applies to sin(3x), suggesting it approaches 3 instead.
  • Another participant emphasizes the concept of derivatives indicating how a function changes with respect to x, suggesting that the derivative of cos(3x) should be three times greater than that of cos(x).
  • There is a mention of using substitution and the chain rule to derive the derivative, indicating a method for calculation.

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Participants express differing views on the derivative of cos(3x) at x = 0, with no consensus reached on whether it equals 1. The discussion includes multiple competing interpretations and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the behavior of derivatives and limits, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concepts involved. There are also varying interpretations of the application of the chain rule.

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simple question, if the derivative of cos(x) as x->0 is 1, the is the derivative of cos(3x) as x->0 = 1 aswell?
 
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The derivative of cos(x) as x->0 is -sin(x) as x->0 is -sin(0) is 0, not 1. But simply cos(x) as x->0 is cos(0) = 1. the derivative of cos(3x) as x->0 = -3sin(3x) as x->0 = -3sin(3*0) = -3sin(0) = -3*0 = 0. cos(3x) as x->0 = cos(3*0) = cos(0) = 1. The derivative of cos(x) as x->a = -sin(x) as x->a = -sin(a). The derivative of cos(3x) as x->a = -3sin(3x) as x->a = -3sin(3a).
 
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The derivative of cos(x) is -sin(x).
 
Yeah, I knew that. :redface: Edited.
 
Think about what a derivative means. This should be plenty enough to give you the answer you're looking for.
 
DB said:
simple question, if the derivative of cos(x) as x->0 is 1, the is the derivative of cos(3x) as x->0 = 1 aswell?

The derivative of sin x goes to 1 as x goes to 0. No, the derivative of sin(3x) does not go to 1. It goes to 3. Do you see why?
 
Curious... it looks like you're looking for a limit. I wasn't aware that derivitaves "approached" anything.
 
cDimino said:
Curious... it looks like you're looking for a limit. I wasn't aware that derivitaves "approached" anything.
The derivative of a function of x is a function of x and can approach a limit as well as any function.
 
The derivative tells you how the result will change with a change in the x. If it were to linearly change, the derivative would say how y changes when 1 is added to x. So, if you have cos(3x), the derivative will have to be 3 times greater than cosx, because if you raise x by an amount (say, 1), you are raising the quantity inside the cos by 3 times that amount. It's the same concept as the derivative (slope) of y=x and y=3x.

This is how the chain rule can be derived...
 
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just U-substitute u=3x if you must and apply chain rule. dy/dx=dy/du*du/dx
 

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