Derivative of F(t): Solving Doppler Shift Problem

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The discussion centers on solving the Doppler shift problem by finding the derivative F'(t) of the function F(t) = fo(1 - (v^2*T)/(c*sqrt(v^2*T^2 + b^2))). Participants emphasize the necessity of applying the quotient rule and chain rule in calculus to derive F'(t) correctly. The initial attempts at expanding F(t) were incorrect, highlighting the importance of proper derivative techniques in this context. The conversation underscores the need for a solid understanding of calculus fundamentals to tackle such problems effectively.

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Homework Statement


This problem has to do with Doppler shifts as frequency changes with time.
F(t)=fo(1-(v^2*T)/(c*sqrt(v^2*T^2+b^2))
T=t-To
I want to find F'(t) .

Homework Equations


See #1.


The Attempt at a Solution


I expand F(t) to be
F(t)=f0-(fo*v/c)*(1+(b/(vT))^2)^1/2
and again...
F(t)=f0-(fo*v/c)*(1+b^2*v^-2*T^-2)^1/2

After this, I forgot all of my calculus I've learned couple years ago. :(
Please help me remember what to do.
I know you do exponent on the outside and then work inside... dot dot dot.

Thanks.
 
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chlorine said:

Homework Statement


This problem has to do with Doppler shifts as frequency changes with time.
F(t)=fo(1-(v^2*T)/(c*sqrt(v^2*T^2+b^2))
T=t-To
I want to find F'(t) .

Homework Equations


See #1.


The Attempt at a Solution


I expand F(t) to be
F(t)=f0-(fo*v/c)*(1+(b/(vT))^2)^1/2
The above is incorrect for a number of reasons. I don't know what you did to get this. Don't bother multiplying by f0.
chlorine said:
and again...
F(t)=f0-(fo*v/c)*(1+b^2*v^-2*T^-2)^1/2

After this, I forgot all of my calculus I've learned couple years ago. :(
Please help me remember what to do.
I know you do exponent on the outside and then work inside... dot dot dot.

Thanks.

You need to use the quotient rule first, and you will need the chain rule to get the derivatives that arise in the quotient rule.
 

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