Derivative of projectile parametric y-component?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the y-component of a projectile's parametric equations. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in differentiating the given equation and subsequently solving for time when the derivative equals zero. The focus is primarily on the technical aspects of differentiation and algebraic manipulation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Matt presents the y-component equation of a projectile and seeks assistance with its derivative.
  • One participant provides a derivative, suggesting it is dy/dt = Vie^(-kt)sin(a) + g(e^(-kt) - 1)/k.
  • Matt acknowledges the derivative but expresses difficulty in further solving the equation.
  • Another participant questions what Matt means by "solve it," clarifying the intent behind setting the derivative to zero.
  • Matt confirms the goal is to set the derivative to zero and solve for time.
  • A participant suggests expanding the second term of the derivative, combining like terms, and isolating the exponential before applying the natural logarithm.
  • Matt thanks the participant for the advice and shares a link to a solution for t.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the derivative provided, but there is no consensus on the subsequent steps for solving the equation, as different approaches are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the algebraic manipulation of exponential terms and the implications of setting the derivative to zero. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical process that could affect the final solution.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals interested in projectile motion, calculus, and parametric equations may find this discussion relevant.

Matt Jacques
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Hi,

I'm looking for the derivative of the projectile parametric y-component?

The y component is:

y = (vi/k)(1-e^-kt)(sin a) + (g/k^2)(1 - kt - e^-kt)

I seem to be doing something wrong and my derivative isn't working out, I just want to check it against the final answer to see where I am going wrong.

Thanks

Matt
 
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I get
dy/dt = Vie-ktsin(a)+g(e-kt-1)/k
 
Yep, that's it. Thanks, Integral.

I forgot d/dx [ e^u ] is e^u * du/dx

Ah, the devil is in the details! Now to step two, how to solve it? I logged both sides, used the power rule and everything else I could think of, but it is not working out. Any other suggestions beside logging?

[Edited for spelling mistake]
 
No ideas? :(
 
What do you mean by "solve it"?? Presumably you don't mean "How did you get that answer" because you said "Yep, that's it". What exactly do you want to do with the derivative?
 
Ooops, sorry.

Im settng the derivative to zero and solving for t.
 
The first term contains an exp(-kt). Expand out the second term into two separate terms, one of which will contain the same exp(-kt) factor. Combine terms containing the exponential, move everything else over to the other side and once the exponential is isolated, then take the natural log of both sides.

I got something like

t = (-1/k)*ln[(g/k)*(Vi*sin(a)+g/k)^(-1)]
 
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Thanks, Futz. I was combining the exponentials wrong.

Here it is solved for t:

http://homepage.mac.com/jjacques2/maxheight.jpg
 
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