Deriving Calculus of Variations

Join the discussion
Ask a follow-up here, or get your own question answered by working scientists, mathematicians and engineers — people, not an autocomplete.
Real named experts · corrections over time · the nuance an AI answer skips
1 reply · 1K views
cooev769
Messages
114
Reaction score
0
Hey I'm having an issue deriving the calculus of variations because the chain rule i use ends up different to the one in the textbook. Firstly I assume we have some function of 3 variables Y=y+alpha eta with grad Y'=y'+alpha eta' and x. Secondly we have an integral of this function over x and want to minimise it, hence we want to differentiate with respect to alpha, and hence we need to use the chain rule. For me I end up with, and these d's are partial derivatives not normal:

df/dalpha = df/dY * eta + df/dY' eta'

But the textbook says the answer is with small y's instead of big and the rest of the class says that the book is correct and can't explain to me why, can anybody please enlighten me?

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
cooev769 said:
Secondly we have an integral of this function over x
and want to minimise it, hence we want to differentiate with respect to alpha, and hence we need to use the chain rule. For me I end up with, and these d's are partial derivatives not normal:
df/dalpha = df/dY * eta + df/dY' eta'

What is [itex]f[/itex] ?

In the usual introduction to the calculus of variations, the problem can be stated as:
Minimize [itex]G(\alpha) = \int_a^b f(y,y',x) dx[/itex] where [itex]y = y(x,\alpha)[/itex] is a function of [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]\alpha[/itex].

Are you are using the notation [itex]f(\alpha) = \int_a^b Y(y,y',x) dx[/itex]?

if so, [itex]f[/itex] is not a function of [itex]Y[/itex]. A single value for [itex]Y[/itex] does no determine a value for [itex]f[/itex]. The function [itex]f[/itex] is determined by an entire interval of vales for [itex]Y[/itex]. So the symbol [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial Y}[/itex] doesn't mean anything.