Deriving equaions for harmonic oscillations

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The problem involves a particle undergoing simple harmonic motion, described by its mass, oscillation range, and period. The task is to derive equations for position, velocity, and acceleration as functions of time, calculate angular frequency and spring constant, and derive energy equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the harmonic oscillator differential equation to derive equations for position, velocity, and acceleration.
  • There is confusion regarding the variables used in the differential equation and the relationship between displacement and the function forms.
  • Some participants question the need to solve differential equations, suggesting that a sinusoidal function could be used directly.
  • Questions arise about determining amplitude, angular frequency, and phase constant from the given data.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to derive the required equations. Some have suggested using sinusoidal functions directly, while others are attempting to clarify the relationship between the variables in the differential equation. There is a productive exchange regarding the interpretation of the problem and the necessary parameters to derive.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem specifies using only certain symbols and SI units in their results. There is also mention of constraints related to the level of mathematical techniques covered in their coursework.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a particle of mass 0.240 kg acted on by a spring undergoes simple harmonic
motion. We observe that the particle oscillates between x = 0.200 m and x = - 0.200 m
and that the period of the oscillation is 1.20 s. At time t = 0, the particle is at x = 0 and
has positive vx.
(a) Beginning with whatever general harmonic solution you prefer to use, derive
equations for x(t), vx(t), and ax(t). The only symbols your results may contain are ω and t.
Be sure to use SI units and include units in your results.
(b) Calculate the angular frequency of the oscillation and the spring constant of the
spring.
(c) At what time will the mass reach x = -0.100 m? Calculate vx at that time.
(d) Derive equations for K(t) and U(t). The only symbols your results may contain are ω
and t. Be sure to use SI units and include units in your results.
(e) What is the total energy of the motion?


Homework Equations


a.) I was thinking I could use the (d^2y)/(dt) + (k/m)y=0
Thats the harmonic oscillator differential equation.

d.) The total energy is governed by how much the spring is initially compressed or stretched right? So Ui + Ki = Uf + Kf?


The Attempt at a Solution


Can I derive the three equations by integrating the harmonic oscillator diff eq?
I think I'm sure I can get b. and c. once I can get these derived. When it asks to use any of the general solutions, is that referring to the equations using cosine and sine functions and phi?
 
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yes solve

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{k}{m}y=0[/tex]

and find x(t)
 
rock.freak667 said:
yes solve

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{k}{m}y=0[/tex]

and find x(t)

So I use the equation [tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{k}{m}y=0[/tex] ? I thought the y should be an x or the x should be a y, as in the same.

well isn't that the acceleration equation?

So I integrate to get V(t). which would be [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex] if they are the same variable ya? Because I don't know what y is supposed to be in that other one.

And then to get position vector, I integrate [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex]

And get [tex]x+\frac{kxt^2}{2m}[/tex]


Or V(t)=[tex]-\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex]


and X(t)=[tex]-\frac{kxt^2}{2m}[/tex] ?

But I can only use omega and t.

So instead of [tex]\frac{k}{m}[/tex] should i just use [tex]\omega^2[/tex] which would be a constant?
 
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frozenguy said:
So I use the equation [tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{k}{m}y=0[/tex] ? I thought the y should be an x or the x should be a y, as in the same.

well isn't that the acceleration equation?

So I integrate to get V(t). which would be [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex] if they are the same variable ya? Because I don't know what y is supposed to be in that other one.

And then to get position vector, I integrate [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex]

And get [tex]x+\frac{kxt^2}{2m}[/tex]


Or V(t)=[tex]-\frac{kxt}{m}[/tex]


and X(t)=[tex]-\frac{kxt^2}{2m}[/tex] ?

But I can only use omega and t.

So instead of [tex]\frac{k}{m}[/tex] should i just use [tex]\omega^2[/tex] which would be a constant?

Sorry, it should be d2x/dt2+(k/m)x=0

Do you know how to solve a 2nd order ODE with constant coefficients?
 
rock.freak667 said:
Sorry, it should be d2x/dt2+(k/m)x=0

Do you know how to solve a 2nd order ODE with constant coefficients?

No I don't. We have only begun 1st order linear in Calc 2. Are my integrals wrong?
 
You do not need to solve any differential equations. It is given that the particle undergoes simple harmonic motion. You certainly have learned that simple harmonic motion means that the displacement of the particle along a line is a sinusoidal function of time. The particle moves along the x-axis now, so this function is of the form

[tex]x(t) = A sin (\omega t + \phi)[/tex].

You have to find the amplitude, A, the angular frequency, omega, and the phase constant, phi from the given data.

ehild
 
ehild said:
You do not need to solve any differential equations. It is given that the particle undergoes simple harmonic motion. You certainly have learned that simple harmonic motion means that the displacement of the particle along a line is a sinusoidal function of time. The particle moves along the x-axis now, so this function is of the form

[tex]x(t) = A sin (\omega t + \phi)[/tex].

You have to find the amplitude, A, the angular frequency, omega, and the phase constant, phi from the given data.

ehild

So I can start with that? I just get confused because it says to derive x(t), v(t), a(t) starting from any general harmonic solution. Is what you posted a general harmonic solution for the position as a function of time? So I only have to derive two equations, v(t) and a(t) which would be the first and second derivatives, respectively, of the posted equation?
 
The form of solution is given. "Beginning with whatever general harmonic solution you prefer to use" means that you can start either with sine or with a cosine function or with their combination.
The first task is to find the amplitude, angular frequency and phase constant.

At t=0, the particle is at x=0 and the derivative of x(t) ( the velocity) is positive. So what is the phase constant?
The period is given. Get the angular frequency.
The maximum displacement from equilibrium is 0.2 m, What is the amplitude of the oscillation?
And yes, the velocity is the first derivative of the x(t) function and the acceleration is the second derivative with respect to time. Give all three functions, with the appropriate numerical data.

ehild
 

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