Deriving equations of motion of abelian gauge field coupled to scalar

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations of motion for an abelian gauge field coupled to a scalar field, specifically focusing on the functions ##f## and ##a##. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of the Euler-Lagrange equations and the resulting equations for the fields involved.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Euler-Lagrange equations to derive equations of motion for the fields ##\phi, \phi^\dagger, A_\mu##, questioning the correctness of their derived equations and the treatment of derivatives in spherical coordinates.
  • Some participants suggest rewriting the scalar fields in terms of real and imaginary components and question the implications of taking the complex conjugate of the equations of motion.
  • Others raise concerns about the nature of the fields being time-independent and the implications for the equations of motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of the original poster's approach. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined, including the potential for rewriting the fields and the nature of the equations derived.

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The original poster references lecture notes and mentions that the problem relates to solitons, indicating a specific context for the equations being derived. There is also a note about the formatting of the problem statement, which may affect clarity in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Consider the following theory in three dimensions (1 time and 2 space)
$$\mathcal{L} = -(D^\mu\phi)^\dagger(D_\mu\phi)-\frac{1}{4}\lambda( \phi^\dagger\phi - v^2)^2-\frac{1}{4}F_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu},$$ i.e. an abelian gauge field coupled to a complex scalar. Here $$F_{\mu\nu} = \partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu,$$ ##\lambda## and ##v## are real numbers and $$D_\mu \phi = \partial_\mu \phi -iq A_\mu \phi.$$ Now we parametrize the spatial plane with polar coordinates ##\vec{x} = (r\cos \phi, r \sin \phi)## and take the solutions to be of the form (this is an assumption) $$\phi(r,\psi) = vf(r)e^{in\psi} \qquad \qquad \qquad \vec{A}(r,\psi) = \frac{i}{q}a(r)e^{in\psi} \nabla e^{-in\psi}, A_0 = 0.$$ Here ##n \in \mathbb{Z}##, ##a## and ##f## both go to ##1## as ##r \rightarrow \infty## and to zero at the origin.
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I want to compute the equations of motion for this theory in terms of the functions ##f## and ##a##. My plan was to apply the Euler-Lagrange equations, but it got confusing very quickly.

Am I right that we'll have 3 sets of equations? One for each of the fields ##\phi,\phi^\dagger, A_\mu## ?

So for example the equation of motion when differentiating to ##\phi##becomes $$-\frac{1}{2} \lambda(\phi^\dagger \phi - v^2) \phi^\dagger + \partial^\mu\phi^\dagger (iqA_\mu) - q^2A^\mu A_\mu\phi^\dagger + \partial_\mu\partial^\mu \phi^\dagger + iq \partial_\mu(A^\mu \phi^\dagger) = 0$$ Is this correct?

Then I'm also confused on the ##\partial_\mu## since we are now in spherical coordinates. Are these still derivatives with respect to ##x^1## and ##x^2## or with respect to ##r## and ##\psi##? I'm having some brain lag on this part.

EDIT: I've worked some more on the problem and obtained these equations of motion:
$$-\frac{1}{2}\lambda\phi^\dagger(\phi^\dagger \phi - v^2) +iqA_\mu\left(\partial^\mu + iqA^\mu \right) \phi^\dagger = - \partial_\alpha\left(\partial^\alpha + iqA^\alpha\right)\phi^\dagger$$

$$-\frac{1}{2}\lambda\phi(\phi^\dagger \phi - v^2) -iqA_\mu\left(\partial^\mu - iqA^\mu \right) \phi = - \partial_\alpha\left(\partial^\alpha - iqA^\alpha\right)\phi$$

$$\partial_\alpha F^{\alpha\mu} = iq\left(\phi(\partial^\mu + iq A^\mu )\phi^\dagger - \phi^\dagger(\partial^\mu - iqA^\mu)\phi \right)$$

Now plugging in our ansatz for the first one gives a large second order differential equation: $$-\frac{1}{2}\lambda v^3f(r)(f^2(r) - 1) + n^2a(r)\frac{1}{r^2}vf(r)\left(1 - a(r)\right) = vf''(r) -n^2vf(r)$$ This looks very messy to me...
 
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Should your polar coordinates read ## \vec x = (r \cos \psi , r \sin \psi)##?

Have you tried rewriting your scalar fields as ##\phi = \rho (x) + \text{i} \eta (x)##, ##\phi^\dagger = \rho (x) - \text{i}\eta (x)## and rewritten the lagrangian in terms of the real scalar fields ##\rho## and ##\eta## instead?
 
Yes ##\psi## indeed. I'd edit the post but seems like I can't do that anymore. I don't think I'd need to rewrite in a real and imaginary part though, since I have an explicit solution (ansatz)...
 
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You can always do the same trick with the ansatz.
Have you noticed what happens if you take the complex conjugate of the eq of motion for ##\phi##?
What about the time parameter of the field?
 
Well the fields are time-independent. The hermitian conjugate of the EOM for ##\phi## is precisely the EOM for ##\phi^\dagger##.

I don't see ow doing your trick in the ansatz will help further. I wrote it out but that makes everything more complicated in my opinion. What's wrong with the method I'm applying now?
 
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How can you have eq of motion with time independent fields?
Where is this problem from?
 
This ansatz is in the form of a soliton. In easiest case it is time independent.
 
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This ansatz is in the form of a soliton. In easiest case it is time independent.
And this is a textbook problem? Can you provide the original problem statement?
 
The problem statement is as I've written it here. I got it from lecture notes I studied a while back when looking at solitons.
 
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Where is the actual statement?
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Is the problem to "find a closed solution to ##f(r)## and ##a(r)##"?
 
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Not exactly. From the equations of motion I want to find two second order differential equations in ##a(r)## and ##f(r)##. That statement is just below the relevant equations section.

My apologies for the bad formatting.
 

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