Deriving Formula: f2 Frequency of Moving Object

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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula related to the Doppler effect, specifically for calculating the frequency of sound from a moving object. The original poster presents a formula involving initial frequency, velocity, and the velocity of the source, while expressing uncertainty about the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the motion of a sound-emitting source and the frequency observed. There are attempts to clarify the role of wavelength and the need for certain formulas, with questions about the necessity of the beat frequency formula and the inclusion of wavelength in the original equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of sound waves and their propagation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conceptual understanding of wave crests and their relationship to frequency, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to deriving the formula.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the use of certain variables and formulas, particularly the beat frequency and wavelength, which may indicate gaps in the original poster's understanding or assumptions about the problem setup.

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This is my first post, so it might not be that great... Anyways, I need help deriving the formula. This formula is pertaining to the doppler effect, and more specifically, to find the frequency of a sound made from an object moving toward/away from you.

f2= f1(v/v-vs) or... f1(v/v+vs)

Where f2 is the second frequency, f1 is the first frequency, v is velocity, and vs is the velocity of the source.

Homework Equations



v=(lambda)(frequency) (I don't know how to make any symbols =/)
v=d/t
beat frequency= absf1-f2endabs

The Attempt at a Solution



What I did was try to make every variable a frequency, and I had no idea what to substitute in for vs...
 
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I don't think you need the beat frequency formula.

Think about the problem like this. At a certain moment in time, a siren emits a crest (or trough; take your pick), and the energy spreads out in all directions at the same speed. After one period passes, it emits another crest, which again spreads out in all directions. If the siren's moving, this crest will be closer to the initial crest in the direction of motion and farther from it in the opposite direction. If you can find the distance between the two crests, that's your wavelength.
 
ideasrule said:
I don't think you need the beat frequency formula.

Think about the problem like this. At a certain moment in time, a siren emits a crest (or trough; take your pick), and the energy spreads out in all directions at the same speed. After one period passes, it emits another crest, which again spreads out in all directions. If the siren's moving, this crest will be closer to the initial crest in the direction of motion and farther from it in the opposite direction. If you can find the distance between the two crests, that's your wavelength.

I think I might've worded my question wrong; I'm trying to prove the formula itself, I don't need to find the wavelength; unless that is what I am suppose to do?
 
I don't think lambda was suppose to use in the original equation, was it? I forgot to add that part in my original question.
 

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