Deriving Formulas for Acceleration on an Inclined Plane: Where Did I Go Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around deriving formulas for acceleration of a block on an inclined plane, comparing it to a marble. The original poster is attempting to understand the discrepancies in their derived formula for the block's acceleration, particularly in relation to friction and angle of incline.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an acceleration formula using forces acting on the block, questioning the validity of their approach when the results yield decreasing accelerations with increasing angles.
  • Some participants question the sign conventions used in the calculations and the implications of friction on the acceleration.
  • Others suggest examining the conditions under which the block begins to move, particularly at lower angles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and the conditions for motion. Some guidance has been provided regarding the sign conventions and the behavior of forces at various angles, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive formula or solution.

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There is a mention of the need for an external force to initiate movement below certain angles, indicating a potential misunderstanding of static versus kinetic friction and the conditions for motion on the incline.

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Edit: Sorry, i just realized i posted this in the wrong section.

Ok so I was assigned this project to compare accelerations of a 200g block on an inclined plane to that of a marble. My teacher also wanted me to derive formulas to solve acceleration for any given frictional force, mass, and angle. I used g*Sin(angle)=a for the marble since there is little to no friction and it worked perfect.

However the formula i derived for the block is not working like i thought it would.
I started with Fx=ma

u=coefficient of Friction
Frictional Force (Ff)= u*Fn or mass*gravity*Cos(angle) <----Right?

From here i went on to get this:

Acceleration = {u*mass*gravity*Cos(angle) - mass*gravity*Sin(angle)} / Mass

However this formula is giving me decreasing accelerations as the angle increases.

Please Help! What am i doing wrong, and what formula will give me acceleration for the block for any given frictional force, angle, and mass.
 
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Look here - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mincl.html#c2

Note that the angle is with respect to the horizontal.

g sin (angle) will increase as the angle increase from zero to pi/2 (or 0 to 90°), while ug cos (angle) will decrease.

The acceleration is negative which means downward in terms of a vector orientation, or opposite the direction of up the ramp.

Note the sign convention with g*Sin(angle)=a for the marble, where one used a positive convention for the downward acceleration. One must be consistent.
 
awesome, thanks. However the formula gSin(angle) - ugCos(angle) = a gives me a negative acceleration until i reach an angle of 15 degrees. Is there a way to calculate for the acceleration below 15 degrees? I drew this out as a free body diagram for an angle of 2 degrees but i don't not know how to explain this giving me a negative acceleration until 15 degrees.
 
Below 15 degrees, the block will not move just by the component of the weight parallel to the incline. In order to move, it would require an external force equivalent to the mass of the block * the positive acceleration that one calculates.
 

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