Deriving Power From Lightning - Is It Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of deriving energy from lightning strikes, exploring various methods and concepts related to harnessing electrical energy from atmospheric phenomena. Participants consider theoretical approaches, practical challenges, and the potential implications for energy generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a conductor connected to a ground-based capacitor to harness potential differences in the atmosphere during overcast conditions, suggesting a balloon-like device to facilitate this.
  • Another participant mentions that harnessing lightning energy is extremely difficult due to the unpredictability and short duration of lightning strikes, and questions the feasibility of generating significant power.
  • A different idea involves using a super-capacitor with one plate charged by a lightning strike and then transferring that charge to another plate, although concerns about dielectric breakdown are raised.
  • One participant questions the practicality of using a 2000-foot mast for such energy collection.
  • Another participant asserts that while there is plenty of energy available, the challenge lies in economically storing it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and feasibility of deriving energy from lightning, with some highlighting significant challenges and others proposing various theoretical methods. No consensus is reached on the viability of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the unpredictability of lightning, the economic aspects of energy storage, and potential technical challenges such as dielectric breakdown in proposed systems.

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I Was Wondering If We Could Derive Energy From Lightening Strikes ,when The Sky Is Overcast With Clouds We Have Various Potential Diffrences In The Sky wrt to ground ,so Can We Connect A Conductor Of Some Sort To Convert These Potential Diffrences Into Current , I Once Saw This Crazy Metereologist Guy Sending Up Rocket To Probe Lightening on tv ,he Actually Induced Lightening To Study It [the rocket carried this wire with it and as soon as it reached the clouds a flash occurred, that apparently turned this metereologist guy on ]Can We Do This With Some Kind Of Floating balloon sort of a Thing Which Could Connect With A Ground Based Capacitor Or Something Like That ?


I Know We'd Have To Wait For the lightning to Happen First But Would'nt ,u Know The Central Grid Can Always Use Some Additional Power For cheap {condidering just the helium cost} .
 
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This is discussed in many threads (do a search) including this one further down on the GP page: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=122560

In short:
1. Extremely difficult to harness because of the short, high energy pulses and unpredictability.
2. Not enough power would be generated to matter.
3. No, we cannot "always use some additional power for free". Free is never free.
 
I have some thoughts on this. This is my idea, but I'm not sure if it is feasible.

A super-capacitor is built. One plate of the capacitor is charged to a value about equal to a typical lightning bolt. The other plate is attached to a conductor that runs up to the top of a 2000 ft. mast (masts of this height have been built). Once a lightning bolt has struck the tower both sides of the capacitor have a charge. The lighting charged plate is then moved over to another uncharged plate, and power is drained off of it. Mean while, a second uncharged plate is moved over the human charged plate so that multiple plates can be charged off a single bad storm.

Is this in anyway practical? I imagine it would be hard to pull those two charges plates apart.EDIT:

Actually, now that I think about it, this scheme would cause dielectric break down - even if the dielectric is a couple of miles think.

...Although, if there is enough surface area on the capacitor, then it might be possible to drop the voltage enough to prevent dielectric breakdown.
 
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2,000 foot mast? Do you even need to ask if that is practical?
 
There's plenty of energy kicking around guys. The stuff is indestructible. Well it isn't stuff, it's just a property of stuff, with no real existence of its own but that's by the by. The problem is storing it economically.
 

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