Deriving the 4d continuity equation

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The discussion revolves around deriving the 4D continuity equation in the context of physics, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation and implications of the continuity equation in four-dimensional spacetime.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the continuity equation using Gauss's theorem and question the expansion of the final expression in four-dimensional notation. There are inquiries about the clarity of definitions and notation related to four-vectors.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the derivation steps and definitions involved in the continuity equation. Some participants express confusion about specific aspects, while others indicate they have resolved their understanding after further consideration.

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There are references to the need for clear definitions and notation, particularly regarding four-vector notation and Einstein's summation convention. Participants also mention external resources for further clarification.

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Well we start out with

[tex]-\frac {d} {dt} \int_{V}^{} \sigma dV = \int_{\Pi}^{} \vec{J} \cdot d\vec{\Pi}[/tex]

Using the Gauss theorem

[tex]\int_{V}^{} (\frac{ \partial {\sigma}}{ \partial {t}} + div \vec{J}) dV = 0[/tex]

so

[tex]\frac{ \partial {\sigma}}{ \partial {t}} + div \vec{J} = 0[/tex]

and written in 4D..

[tex]\frac{ \partial {J^n}}{ \partial {x^n}} = 0 \qquad\quad\ (n = 0,1,2,3)[/tex]

I can't seem to get my head around that last step. How does it expand out?
 
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This field is really confusing. Should I just gauss the answer?
 
Thrice said:
Well we start out with

[tex]-\frac {d} {dt} \int_{V}^{} \sigma dV = \int_{\Pi}^{} \vec{J} \cdot d\vec{\Pi}[/tex]

Using the Gauss theorem

[tex]\int_{V}^{} (\frac{ \partial {\sigma}}{ \partial {t}} + div \vec{J}) dV = 0[/tex]

so

[tex]\frac{ \partial {\sigma}}{ \partial {t}} + div \vec{J} = 0[/tex]

and written in 4D..

[tex]\frac{ \partial {J^n}}{ \partial {x^n}} = 0 \qquad\quad\ (n = 0,1,2,3)[/tex]

I can't seem to get my head around that last step. How does it expand out?
Are you familiar with four-vector notation and so on? Then it is simply a question of definition that the last expression is [itex]\partial_\mu J_\mu =0[/itex] where Einstein's summation convention is used.
 
Yeah well I'm familiar with it, but I needed the definition spelled out. I eventually worked it out.
 

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