Deriving the Fourier Transform of the Signum Function and Proving its Properties

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Fourier transform of the signum function and proving its properties, particularly focusing on the expression involving the Dirac delta function and the behavior of the Fourier transform at zero frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the Fourier transform of the signum function and its derivative, questioning how to derive results without relying on known formulas.
  • Some participants raise questions about the behavior of the Fourier transform at zero frequency, particularly regarding the interpretation of infinity and the argument for why it should equal zero.
  • There are suggestions to use properties of the Fourier transform and the sifting property to analyze the behavior of the transform at specific points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of the Fourier transform and the implications of the Dirac delta function. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the behavior of the Fourier transform at zero frequency.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to show results without deriving the Fourier transform explicitly and the implications of the signum function's properties on the transform's behavior.

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Homework Statement


The signum function is defined by$$sgn(t)=\left\{\begin{matrix}-1, \ t<0\\0, \ t=0 \\ 1, \ t>0 \end{matrix}\right.$$It has derivative$$\frac{d}{dt} sign(t) = 2 \delta(t)$$Use this result to show that ##j2\pi \nu S(\nu)=2,## and give an argument why ##S(0)=0.## Where ##S(\nu)## denotes the Fourier transform of the signum function

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the Fourier transform of the sign function is:$$S(\nu)=\frac{1}{j\pi \nu}.$$
If we substitute this into ##j2\pi \nu S(\nu),## we get ##2## as expected. But the question wants us to show this result without deriving an expression for the Fourier transform of ##sgn(t).## How can we do this?

Furthermore, if we substitute ##0## in ##S(\nu)## we get ##S(0)=1/j\pi (0) = \infty.## So what does the question mean by giving an argument that ##S(0)=0##?
 
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If the F.T. of ## f(t) ## is ## F(\nu) ##, isn't F.T. ## f'(t)=j \nu F(\nu) ## ? (with possibly a factor of ## 2\pi ## depending on your definition of F.T. and your frequency variable.) And you can readily compute the F.T. of the delta function..I don't have a good answer for the S(0)=0 yet...editing...For S(0), it appears the function ## S(\nu) ## goes symmetrically from minus infinity to plus infinity near ## \nu=0 ##...
 
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Don't trust a given formula for S(v) here. You can derive S(0) yourself, and the result should be zero.
 
mfb said:
Don't trust a given formula for S(v) here. You can derive S(0) yourself, and the result should be zero.

How would you derive ##S(0)##? Did you use the sifting property ##S(0)=\int^\infty_{-\infty} \delta (t) \frac{1}{j \pi \nu} d\nu## or some other method?
 
roam said:
How would you derive ##S(0)##? Did you use the sifting property ##S(0)=\int^\infty_{-\infty} \delta (t) \frac{1}{j \pi \nu} d\nu## or some other method?
Why not use ## S(\nu)=\int sgn(t)exp(-i 2\pi \nu t) dt ## and set ## \nu=0 ##. The function is odd so the integral is 0. See also my post #2.
 
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So using the property ##\frac{d f(t)}{dt} \leftrightarrow j 2 \pi \nu F(\nu),## we will have:

$$2 \delta (t) = j 2 \pi \nu S(\nu).$$

But according to the question this should be equal to just ##2.## How do I make the Dirac delta disappear?
 
roam said:
So using the property ##\frac{d f(t)}{dt} \leftrightarrow j 2 \pi \nu F(\nu),## we will have:

$$2 \delta (t) = j 2 \pi \nu S(\nu).$$

But according to the question this should be equal to just ##2.## How do I make the Dirac delta disappear?
Simple: ## 2\pi j \nu S(\nu)=F.T.( 2 \delta(t)) ##. The F.T. of the delta function is 1.
 
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Thank you, that makes perfect sense now.
 
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